So, I decided to let this liberal lady know that there are Catholics in existence that disagree with her. The exchange somehow began with the woman--kag1982--insulting Rick Santorum for being a conservative Catholic. I personally don't care about Santorum, but the woman clearly despised conservative Catholics, of which I am one.
Her style began by screaming harassment for publicly disagreeing with her on the public comment forum. As if her aggressive and offensive liberalism was not harassment to our side. Her harassment is acceptable. The Traditional Catholic's is not. Particularly mine, because I'm a man. After playing the harassment card, she simply flagged every single post she disagreed with in order to dominate the conversation. Therefore, this conversation is no longer viewable on Crux, in order that she be the main one dominating that social sphere, and in order to suppress any embarrassing rhetoric I shared with her. The conversation initially took place here.
She, and others like her who I engage online, are SJWs. Social Justice Warriors amble into online social spaces where they are not welcome, and they get real nasty and loud, attracting others of their kind until the status quo has changed. That is how their activism works.
This entrenched liberal woman and others like her are lost. I'm not interested in helping her personally (I am, but it's a lost cause). The target audience is not her. The target audience is everyone who is observing the fight.
By allowing the faithless to run rampant in social spaces like this, we give ground to our enemies. She is deluded into thinking herself right, but in reality, she's off the deep end, and people permit it. Most people don't want to go near her with a 10-foot pole, but she's too blind to see it. The reason that extreme liberal radicals own the social spaces is because most good people do not participate. Just because one team sits around or hides during the game does not mean the game is cancelled. Merely, the other team wins. Easily.
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SOMEHOW, RICK SANTORUM IS BROUGHT UP IN THE CONVERSATION.
I got my information from personal acquaintances and commentators at places like the Acton Institute who thought that Benedict and John Paul II were free market capitalists. "Pope" Ricky S. thinks he is the greatest and purest Catholic of all time but chooses to repudiate most Catholic social justice teachings.
Why? I ask sincerely. I don't support him, but I don't heavily oppose him either
Because he is even more anti-woman than Pope Francis and thinks that women should only be in the kitchen, wants to outlaw birth control, and wouldn't mind gay people being chased back into the closet. And this is even before his and Huckabee's desire to suck up to the Duggars (aka hypocritical child abuse enablers)
Outlaw birth control? Chase gay people back into the closet?
Are you even Catholic?
Santorum has said as much in his interviews. And that is the Catholic Church's position. The bishops fought really hard to keep birth control out of reach to most Filipinos and Francis applauded them.
kag1982, are you Catholic? I do not know you, and I don't read Crux often. So I am not familiar with you or your views.
Yes... but lapsed.
(Strange. When I asked you the first time if you were a Catholic, Crux decided to erase my question. I thought it an honest question.)
Okay. You are a lapsed Catholic on a Catholic site, and you're arguing for homosexuality and contraception.
Moving back to your original post, do you think that Humane Vitae is an erroneous document?
Yes. As a woman I do.
What specifically do you dislike about the document?
1. The fact that men who never have sex choose to demand that methods that allow women to enjoy sex are off limits and endorse the most complicated forms of birth control that are ineffective and complicated and put the onus on women. Would men like to have to pee into a cup or examine their sperm every day because they hate the most effective means of birth control?
2. The encyclical only cares about women as broodmares. We don't have individual dreams and desires. We are breeding stock with no individuality with the only purpose to keep the human race alive. We have no individual ideas and personalities. Men are individual believers and women are mindless wombs.
The entire document lectures women on their reproductive choices. It is interesting that celibate men, many of whom don't like women, know about the female reproductive system.
I just love the fact that they tell women who are cramping to the point they puke to pray to Jesus and we all just need to be reassured that we aren't crazy. That is real understanding of the female body there.
And the document is hateful because it says that most forms of birth control are sinful and provides women with only shoddy forms of birth control that are complicated and don't work. Would men like to have to pee in a cup every morning or examine their sperm or take their own temperature and do complicated charts? Oh.. You wouldn't. And yet you traditionalist types demand that your wives do. (Of course, only in grave circumstances, which is never.. If a trad husband wants sex, the wife has to spread her legs out...)
So, basically you're a lapsed Catholic who does not believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church. Why would you come to a Catholic site like this when you know that you'd be at odds with everyone's beliefs? What is to gain from this?
Actually, I'm not. There are many liberal Catholics who post here.
"Actually, I'm not. There are many liberal Catholics who post here."
Wait wait. Eleven hours ago, when I asked you if you were a Catholic, you told me you were a lapsed Catholic.
Oh.. I thought that you guys were harassing me and I got my first proof. I do appreciate learning that my opinions are right. I've been personally and nastily harassed since late last year and it is getting boring. I don't mind exposing you. http://www.fisheaters.com/forums/index.php?topic=3468236.0
No.. I am not your field work. I revel in being a modern woman not a broodmare for Jesus. And I don't want to be harassed by your guys. I think that it is funny that you have to deal with a pope who treats the social justice work of the Church seriously.
Oh and fisheaters is a antisemitic and near schismatic forum that rejects the Ordinary Form of the Mass. It is good to have such enemies.
MANY THANKS, KAG, FOR ADVERTISING FISHEATERS FOR POSTERITY!
ANOTHER CATHOLIC NAMED DPIERRE CHIMED IN...
kag1982: "It does amuse me that people continue to believe that the Catholic Church somehow agrees with the Tea Party on economic issues ..."
I don't know where you get your information, but that simply isn't true.
So you can stop being amused.
As I pointed out prior.. Ricky S certainly doesn't believe it. He mentioned it again today. Keep digging there Ricky.
Ah! You've returned with your shrill bantering and cheap glibness. You should stop harassing the people in this comment box.
It is our Church as well despite what you want. Oh.. but I do thank you for letting me know that I wasn't crazy about there being a concerted effort to harass me online.
AND HERE, ANOTHER COMMENTER CHIMED IN TO THE CONVERSATION...
Please notice, LH, how large sections of our conversation over the past few days have mysteriously disappeared. Do you see what I mean about the Usual Suspects here at Crux and their hatred of open and honest debate?
I simply cannot understand what Rick Santorum as to do with Pope Francis' encyclical. It just seems so way off topic.
But also, I feel threatened by your harassing tone and all of these microaggressions that I am detecting from you. Why do Catholics--especially self-proclaimed left-wing lapsed Catholics--have to continually persecute other Catholics? :(
I pray to the Son of the Blessed Virgin Mary that you will find peace and stop these assaults on the hearts of good faithful Catholics, and that people in this comment box may return to a state of peace and continue to discuss the pope's upcoming climate encyclical.
God bless Rick Santorum. May he walk in the ways of the Lord