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Sunday, June 28, 2015

Banned From Fisheaters

(UPDATE: It has been revealed to me through a variety of observations--including a set of e-mails exchanged between Tracy and myself--that the reason I was banned from Fisheaters was not because of our disagreement in the Fisheaters thread about sodomite marriage.  Instead, Tracy pushed me out of Fisheaters because of her disagreement with me about Catholics regaining our voice in social media.  With that being said, I will not take down this blog post, as too many people have already read it and know of its contents.  Removing it would be disingenuous, appear duplicitous, and would be a discredit to the sequential order of what took place between myself and the Fisheaters forum.  And, although Tracy has told me she did not ban me because of the "gay love" disagreement, the fact remains that she still deleted a good handful of threads about the topic of sodomite marriage.  The original title of this blog post was Fisheaters: The Gay Sewing Circle

Tracy and the New Homophiles, at The Sewing Circle!

So, this evening, Vox Clamantis Tracy the forum owner decided to act like a flaming liberal and erased a conversational thread on her forum. The thread title was: One reason we now have sodomitic "marriage".  Or maybe it was Article: Supreme Court Legalizes Gay Marriage. I cannot tell. They were both erased by her.  I didn't start them, though I did participate in them.

Don't bother looking for them.  They've been scrubbed completely.

I would quote the exchange exactly if I could, but I doubt that Tracy would want that.  The best I can do is to paraphrase what I recall reading a few short hours ago.

Essentially, Tracy was telling everyone that they shouldn't disparage gay men who love each other, but do not act upon it.  "Love is love," she said.  She said a lot more after that, but I did not get a chance to read all of what she stated.  

In any event, I disagreed with what she said.  I disagreed because of my Scriptural upbringing.  I replied to her and said that such men are not expressing love.  Rather, such men are expressing a vile and shameful affection.  

And then...poof!  I was banned!  She reacted completely like an overemotional female, completely like the hypersensitive and intolerant snobs at Catholic Answers Forum, and completely like the uppety knee-jerk love-brownnosers-groupthink cult of Suscipe Domine The Echo Chamber.  Her affection for gays is legendary in the Trad circles, which is why she keeps gay orbiters on her forum.

I am not too devastated because Scriptures are completely on my side. Observe Romans 1:26.

Here is the American Standard version: God gave them up unto vile passions

Here is the Douhay Rheims version: God delivered them up to shameful affections

Have no fear, Tracy.  In just ten years time, I'm sure that America will be just like Canada, and the Bible will be labeled as hate speech.  

I am, however, disappointed with Tracy.  I've never really doubled down on her weird leanings before.  I just never really felt compelled to in the past.  With both The Sewing Circle and The Echo Chamber, I had always felt that I was in a community of people who respected one another.  We were online colleagues, with certain bonds.  We had things in common, and we had a friendship--of a sort--that linked us and let us all know that "it was cool."  

This comfort level that I had felt at the two places that banned me made me feel...comfortable.  We all got along.  We knew each other's idiosyncrasies, we knew no one was perfect (certainly not Tracy), and we accepted one another.  We were a diverse crowd, but we also all said that we believed in Traditional Catholicism.  

I had posted on The Sewing Circle for up to six or seven years, off and on.  I had over 2,500 posts.  As it was with The Echo Chamber, I found the place to be a sanctuary where I could relax and enjoy being Catholic.  Most of all, I cherished being able to ask for family advice or share opinions, thoughts, or ask questions about movies.  And on these two forums, if I ever had a question about Catholicism, I could always depend on someone there having an answer.  

At least she didn't state something idiotic, like "emotional and agenda driven posting."  After all, Tracy would be projecting her own faults if she said that. 

Not so now.  Once again, I failed to catch on to the groupthink.  Tracy's groupthink.  And even if my posts were bringing in traffic and creating member participation--which I figured she appreciated--that didn't matter once I offended her precious sensitivities about sodomites.  

Also, note that I have not yet been banned from Catholic Answers Forum.  Why?  Because, from the outset, I recognize that the place is a cold, calculating, money-making, indifferent Wal-Mart of a forum that gives free reign to SJW infiltrators and liberal Catholic destroyers.  Because I recognize this, I don't really try to step on toes at CAF.  My expectations for that forum are very very low, and I know that I cannot depend upon them to be friends in Christ.  

And, as we've learned within the last year, I cannot depend on the moderators at either The Echo Chamber or The Sewing Circle to be my friends in Christ, either.  

Worst of all, when it comes to getting banned from these places, once you are gone, you can no longer ask for the community's prayers.  I have had some serious prayer requests in the last six months.  But the cool kids at the Echo Chamber, and the seamstress who runs The Sewing Circle could care less.  

These places claim to be "real Catholics," which means that they think they have the answers.  So, when they ban you, they are basically telling you in a certain way that you are unwelcome to be a "real Catholic" with them.  They are blocking you from hearing "the truth" ...as they see it.  They are blocking you from the prayers of your former colleagues.  They are blocking you from helpful advice.  They are blocking you from community.  

These experiences at these two forums have demonstrated perfectly why Catholics are going to lose, and lose big in the next important battles of the West's culture wars.  The people in charge of such circles are soft, emotional, and they are unable to take hard confrontational conversation.  Christians are supposed to be the salt of the earth.  But the moderators of these two forums are more like...slugs.  If you pour salt onto them, they melt.  

The moderators of The Echo Chamber and The Sewing Circle are like this creeping nasty slug.
They leave a slime trail, and they melt when in contact with salt.

The moderators of these forums are disingenuous, liars, narcissists, love adulation, and they despise opposition.  They cannot take true, gritty, Christian discussions, and they are heavy-handed when you shatter their precious illusions.  They are soft, flaccid, and cowardly--which is one reason you hardly see them outside of their forums.  

Groupthink and "Catholic" normalcy bias.  That is what their habitations offer.  I consider it a victory to have been sifted out of the chaff as I was.  I am uplifted, elated, and ready to focus on even more important things, now that I don't have to worry about stepping on Tracy's idiotic sensibilities.  The time I've thrown away in trying to have any kind of a meaningful dialogue with her has been a waste.  And I, in turn, acknowledge that she considers her association with me on Fisheaters to also be a waste--which is why she threw me out.  

But most of all, I'm thankful that I no longer have to argue about the meaning of word "effeminacy" with the dunce.  Her friends are most certainly effeminate, and indeed, St. Thomas Aquinas condemned it as a vice.  

Laramie Hirsch, Toxic Trad, at your service.

Other blog posts that mention Fisheaters:

Laramie vs Lapsed Catholic Feminist #1
Michael Voris Mentions "Lunatic" Pope Deniers

Saturday, June 27, 2015

The Dead Have Spoken To Me This Week

An absolutely strange thing happened this week.  For some strange reason, I've been drawn to James Horner's music in the past few days.

It was not until just moments ago, I learned that the man has died in a plane crash.  I had absolutely no idea that he died until this very hour.

I hope that he died in a state of grace, and that God will show His mercy upon this talented composer.

I invite you to listen to one of his most beautiful musical moments:


I've always carried this song in my mind with me since childhood.  In fact, this man's art and imagination helped to shape my early life.  I'm willing to bet I'm not the only one.

Wednesday, June 24, 2015

Laramie vs Lapsed Catholic Feminist #3

This little blurb of a confrontation started with kag1982 again, but it ended in a back-and-forth with someone named Cassie.  Who's to say if Cassie is actually a sock puppet for kag?  The conversation was, of course, deleted from public record--in the same style as kag1982 always does.  The comments are reported to the moderators and then deleted.

However, the public conversation is preserved for posterity, right here at home base.

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I think that contemporary sex roles better fit God's creation than the strict hierarchy. Women can be police officers, astronauts, politicians, etc. and men can be stay at home daddies, nurses, and school teachers. Women don't possess a special fluffiness and tenderness by virtue of their wombs. Some individuals, men or women, are very compassionate and tender. Some are logical. Some are artistic. What has always frustrated me is that the Church has demanded that I be a sweet and tender angel princess and nurturing mommy when this isn't who I am as a person innately. This isn't who millions of women are.

kag1982, I do believe you hate being a woman.

Stop flattering yourself. By doing so, you are just reinforcing negative feelings about women.
Since none of us had any choice of gender (unless men took a qualifying exam before they were conceived), we accept that we are humans with different reproductive capabilities. We do not want to be put into a box because of it. Our intellectual, emotional, and spiritual capacities are the same.

" none of us had any choice...We do not want to be put into a box..."
You sound like Lucifer being discontented with his station in God's hierarchy of angels!

"Our intellectual, emotional, and spiritual capacities are the same."
Completely wrong! Genetics, hormones, and physiology will attest to this.

You've had conversations with Lucifer?

Nah. But my Christian upbringing familiarized me with his origin story. Pretty standard stuff.
Saul Alinsky devoted "Rules for Radicals" to Lucifer, don't ya know.

Of course I know. Love Saul Alinsky.

And why wouldn't you? Both he and Lucifer were rebels who are hell bent on dragging the world of people into eternal misery. It's a club.

If only people could be as holy and selfish as you. Sharing is such an evil thing.

What does my being either holy, unholy, selfish, or selfless have to do with my equating your mindset with Lucifer, the prince of demons?

Because Lucifer is a myth.

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I still have no idea what Cassie was complaining about when she mentioned sharing.  Sharing her contempt for Catholicism?

Honestly, if people like this are allowed to flit and twirp around Catholics so freely, then the Church in the West really doesn't stand a chance of holding onto anything for much longer.  That such women are tolerated demonstrates the terrible effeminate weakness of our society.

Monday, June 22, 2015

Pope Francis: Neutralizing Catholicism. Those Close To Him #2

Pope Francis likes Earth Charter.  Earth Charter likes Pope Francis.

What is Earth Charter?
"In order to consolidate this holistic vision of globalism, certain obstacles have to be smoothed out and instruments put to work. Religions in general, and in the first place the Catholic religion, figure among the obstacles that have to be neutralized."
-Consultor for the Pontifical Council for the Family, Monsignor Michel Schooyans, 2009.
Msgr. Schooyans has been a professor emeritus of Louvain University in Belgium and a world expert on demographics and world population issues.

"The Earth Charter asked us to leave behind a period of self-destruction and make a new start."
#207 of Laudato Si
written by Archbishop Victor Manuel Fernandez Pope Francis
The Catholic religion needs to be neutralized.  Isn't that great?  How ecumenical for the Holy Father to be behind that effort.  What?  Want to know more about Earth Charter?  The following quotation from Msgr. Schooyans originates from as far back as 2009, long before Laudato Si was ever conceived:
As can be seen from many recent documents from UN agencies like UNFPA, there is a trend for the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights to be supplanted by documents such as the Earth Charter. Man is considered to be the result of the evolution of matter, and he must agree to submit himself to the Great Whole. This, we are told, is the price to pay for "sustainable development". This view of Mother Earth denies man the central place in the world that was assigned to him in the 1948 Declaration.
 So.  Let's neutralize that pesky religion, Catholicism--starting, of course, with the most ardent practitioners, the Traditional Catholics.  We'll begin by disqualifying them as fools and radicals.

"Clearly, we are faced with the total denial of Christianity and the fundamental fact of Christianity, the Incarnation of the Word, the redeeming death of Christ and his glorious resurrection."
-Archbishop Lozano Barragán

I was first alerted to this information by the sleuth running Vox Cantoris.  For better, more up to date information than yours truly could hope to provide, I recommend checking out his blog daily.

Click here for the main webpage that features Msgr. Schooyans.

UPDATE:  Pope says weapons manufacturers can't call themselves Christian.  Fun stuff, this.  It'll only get better!

Sunday, June 21, 2015

Laramie vs Lapsed Catholic Feminist #2

Here is some of the last bits of my tiff with kag1982 on the Crux website.  As expected, she was unable to get through any kind of an exchange with me without reporting/deleting what I had to say.  She pretty much deleted my next-to-last statement to her, rather than work up the conviction to respond to it.

It must have been very frustrating for her to lack the ability of reporting/deleting her critics on Catholic Answers Forum, from which she was promptly banned in 2013, having not lasted even a year there.

In any event, here is the link to the article, after which the confrontation began:


And below is the actual conversation that took place, including the deleted comment (which I marked with an * asterisk).  There was a lot of content in that deleted comment, and I'm sure a lot of it infuriated her too much to work up an unemotional straight-forward reply.  It was probably simply easier to just get the thing erased by Crux.

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Why oh why do we think that Pope Francis cares about ending the culture wars? He is a notorious sexist who believes that women are nothing more than glorified wombs, not individual people and despises professional women. He was spouting off on sexism.. excuse me complementarity again today.

I think that Caitlyn Jenner has proven that there is nothing special about being a woman, now that anyone can become one.

Yes... I agree with that and think that this is why Pope Francis and friends are so against transgendered individuals. It exposes their campaign against uppity feminist. Pope Francis is a sexist but he doesn't like the bad PR that he gets by telling Catholic women that they are only broodmares for Jesus whose minds don't matter and who shouldn't have jobs.

If women are so distraught with being created as broodmares, why not have them transform into men?

I'm a woman; I accept and love that fact. But I am not a submissive dolly under a Catholic burqa who likes pretty girl clothes and babies and totally wants to be a mommy. I don't want to be a man but I want to be a fully realized woman outside of the Catholic Church's narrow version of womanhood. I am a woman and I accept that. I am also a woman who doesn't like cleaning, cooking, and being knocked up. I like being a woman not a submissive dolly who twirls around in pretty pink dresses and is a silly ditz who only exists to give their husbands babies and do menial housework. What Pope Francis doesn't get is that women exist who aren't submissive dollies and angels who desire to submit to their husbands whims, produce a gazillion kids, and be stay at home mommies who spend their days cleaning and doing housework. I'm sorry that this confuses you but there are women who like being women but reject the Catholic Church's narrow version of girly princess and nurturing mommy version of womanhood. We have educations and degrees and don't want to be bossed around by misogynist men.

This is different from the Caitlyn Jenner situation. I don't want male sexual parts; I want to be accepted as a women with a graduate degree who wasn't built to have babies and walk to steps behind her husband.

BTW are you my new traddie stalker... Just wondering. It seems like you guys take terms harassing me.

"You guys?"  No.  Just me.  I think it is mere coincidence that we ran into each other twice so recently.  Apparently, these two articles coincidentally interested us both.  So, at least we have that common interest.  Besides, don't you like fans?

Wait. Graduate degree?!? In what?


Oh nifty. I almost went for one of those. Ended up doing medical instead. Study the humanities up close and personal, I always say. Good luck.

"He is a notorious sexist who believes that women are nothing more than glorified wombs, not individual people..."

So, to get back on topic, what did Pope Francis say to make you think this?  Are there any specific quotations that you have?

"We cannot forget the irreplaceable role of women in the family. The qualities of gentleness, of particular sensitivity and tenderness, which is abundant in the female soul, represent not only a genuine force for the life of families, for the irradiation of a climate of peace and harmony, but also a reality without which the human vocation would be unfeasible." - Pope Francis February 7, 2015


"A world where women are marginalized is a sterile world, because women don’t just bear life but transmit to us the ability to see otherwise, they see things differently. They transmit to us the ability to understand the world with different eyes, to understand things with hearts that are more creative, more patient, more tender." - Pope Francis March 8, 2015


"It occurs to me: why is it mainly women, who to pass on the faith? Simply because the one who brought us Jesus is a woman. It is the path chosen by Jesus. He wanted to have a mother: the gift of faith comes to us through women, as Jesus came to us through Mary"

There are more where these came from. The man spits out doozies about women as precious princesses at an alarming pace. In fact, it would be better if he never spoke about women again. Complementarity is a sexist concept. Separate but equal wasn't acceptable when it came to racism in the South, so how exactly is separate but equal acceptable when it comes to women.

So strange. I do not see how you could take offense in any way at what he was saying about women. If anything, I thought he was extolling women for their best qualities.

So, here is what I will now do. I will reverse what Pope Francis said, and ask you if you like my version better than his version. I only have time for one paragraph, so I will rewrite what Pope Francis said on February 7, 2015

"We can easily dismiss and forget the completely replaceable "role" women have in families.  The female soul is harsh, callous, and cruel, and any gentleness, sensitivity, or tenderness is lacking in the female soul. Such qualities signify the death of families, strike discord and create war, and they create a false sense of reality that most people in their day-to-day jobs could definitely live without."

Is this new description more accurate?

The offense is that women aren't gentle and nurturing by virtue of their uterus and suggesting that they are is used to limit female opportunities. Nurturing and sensitivity aren't needed to excel in many leadership positions; "masculine" characteristics like assertiveness and logic are more important. What does a nurturing and tender women bring to negotiations with a character like Putin.. fresh brownies?

Okay, before we pursue this tangent any further, you do know that according to Scriptures, Eve was created after Adam, and that she was his helpmeet, and that after the Fall in the Garden of Eden, both the man and the woman received different curses.  Right?

Furthermore, Eve did not have the capabilities that Adam did, nor vice versa, and there was no sex change surgery at that time.

And finally, what are your thoughts on the story of Lilith?

Yes, so thanking you for letting me know that you think that women are "subordinate" and lesser than men. This is what conservative Catholics (including Pope Francis) actually feel. No, Eve is not "lesser" and allowed to be bossed around by men and no she isn't man's docile and sweet helpmate. But it is interesting that you will at least concede that fertility is a curse. (Adam and Eve were basically sexless childlike creatures.)

As for the story of Creation and Adam and Eve, it is a myth. Adam and Eve didn't exist. The Catholic Church endorses Evolution and even the Big Bang Theory. The first place that I learned Adam and Eve weren't real people is in Catholic grade school. And Lilith was a Jewish myth that isn't even found in the Bible. (I think that it might be the Talmud. Jewish rabbis commenting on the Torah weren't fans of uppity feminists any more than conservative Catholic men are.)

BTW, you are agreeing that women should only be stay at home mommies and housewives and shouldn't have leadership positions or even jobs. Is that correct?

And thank you…for demonstrating that you will make assertions of what I think before I tell you.

"No, Eve is not 'lesser' and allowed to be bossed around by men and no she isn't man's docile and sweet helpmate." Indeed.

Eve is nothing at all, according to you. According to what you stated, she is a myth that never existed! So which is she? In one sentence, you write as if she was real, and not to be bossed around by Adam.  But a sentence later, you say she never existed. It's difficult to follow you.

Going off on a different tangent for a moment, I think that people who proudly sport evolution are fun to listen to, due to their contradictions. Such a concept
supports the idea that right now in this world are segments of homo sapiens
that are less evolved than other homo sapiens.

Of course, the people who originate from sub-Saharan Africa—being the closest to the source of humanity's evolutionary origins—are obviously going to be the less developed of people. After all, they are missing certain genes that Caucasians and Asians possess. And of course, once you open the door to race talk, the conversational possibilities are endless! So have fun with that! But please, after telling me that you believe in evolution, don't tell me that all of the races are equal.

Should women "only be stay at home mommies and housewives?" No. But it is a noble goal to aim for, particularly for the modern women of our era.

Should women not " have leadership positions or even jobs." There are ideal
leadership roles for women, and indeed, women ought to be allowed jobs.

"Eve is nothing at all, according to you. According to what you stated, she is a myth that never existed! So which is she? In one sentence, you write as if she was"

I was using "Eve" as shorthand for woman. Women aren't lesser than men and aren't helpmates.

"Going off on a different tangent for a moment, I think that people who proudly sport evolution are fun to listen to, due totheir contradictions. "  So you disagree with the Catholic Church on this including popes since Pius XII?

"But please, after telling me that you believein evolution, don't tell me that all of the races are equal."  Everyone human on Earth is a Homo Sapien and is at the same level of evolution.

"No. But it is a noble goal to aim for,particularly for the modern women of our era."
Actually it isn't.

"There are idealleadership roles for women, and indeed, women ought to be allowed jobs."  Just not leading countries or corporations... Unless you think that Putin will be appeased by fresh cookies made by your caricature of a girly angel-princess.

-You state: "Women aren't lesser than men and aren't helpmates."  'Lesser' is your word.  As far as subordination, St. Paul would disagree with you.  But then, you are a lapsed Catholic.

-You: "So you disagree with the Catholic Church on this including popes since Pius XII?" ...and... "Everyone human on Earth is a Homo Sapien and is at the same level of evolution."

Quite wrong.  There are genetic differences between all of the different tribes of people.  This is one of the reasons that you do not get sickle cell disease if you are a Caucasian.  Have you ever seen the IQ surveys of different global regions?  They are not homogeneous.  These differences fall right into what evolution predicts, provided that you buy into the theory.  The Catholic Church allows for its members to believe in either Creation or Evolution.  However, it is an official teaching that Adam and Eve were literal.  That is the official teaching of the Catholic Church, no matter how many priests or bishops wink and nod against it.  Evolution is not the official teaching of the Church.

-"...your caricature of a girly angel-princess."   This image is something that you have conjured.  Not me.  You've conjured it out of bitter spite during this discussion, and you own it completely.  Your insistence to assign me positions and put words in my mouth continues.  As for dealing with Putin, I highly doubt someone like Hillary Clinton will be any kind of an effective barrier to Russia's (and the world's) advances.  Here is something from the Scriptures about how people feel with women rulers: "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they that lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths."  For the sake of comedy, I do look forward to a possible Hillary Clinton presidency.  Should such an enthronement occur, the powers that be in the rest of the world will rightly take advantage of our obvious weakness and hammer the nail in America's coffin.  A civilization with values such as yours cannot exist for long.

-Me: Women should strive to become mothers and stay at home.  It is a noble goal.
You: "Actually it isn't."

Childless women who opt out for a career are failures when it comes to reproduction.  This failure to have children is not imposed upon Western women by anyone else but themselves.  Such women fail in their duty to their species and their genetic line.  There is no responsibility greater for a human being.  And yet, perpetuating souls is frowned upon and disparaged these days, and it's no wonder that women have never been unhappier and so unfulfilled.  Either you think that women have more important purposes in life, or you think that women have no purpose in life at all.

Fortunately, you are wrong on most things that we have discussed, and the Blessed Holy Mother chose a path of life, giving birth to the Savior of the World who gives all people chance after chance at repentance and conversion.  Heaven, after all, is the ultimate goal; not some sort of feminist utopian society that people struggle to achieve with their short fragile lives.  And unfortunately for the West, birth rates are dropping off a cliff, courtesy of feminist narcissism.  But this does not trouble me.  It's comical to watch the world increase in danger due to Western policies based on such secular thinking.  It is even more comical to observe people's hopes that it will always be a stable environment that will perpetually enable their selfish pursuits.  

 Again, I cannot imagine what a lapsed Catholic, such as yourself, would be doing on a Catholic media site.  You, who disdains Church teaching with this level of emotion, still try to mix it up with Catholics as if God Himself will just change His mind on how He orders the universe.  Could you be more than just a lapsed Catholic?  Could you be completely faithless?

The tragedy here is that Pope Francis takes his trademark approach to the papacy in the hope of reaching out to the godless and the lapsed. But in reality, he is only emboldening opposition, such as in your case. So, when Gehring says something in this article, such as Pope Francis is "sparking hope for a better values debate in American politics," I chuckle.

Wednesday, June 17, 2015

Level Jonah

I almost WANT the Church to be lost to most of the West. All of the buildings and art torn down and burnt. All of the churches converted into bars. Relics lost. Music forgotten. And role models and men of good standing--nowhere to be found. Pure chaos and no culture. No education. Just endless anarchy, sodomy, misery, and death. The libs will lie to themselves and tell themselves that they actually like such a condition of life. I almost WANT the fools of the future to look around, miserable in their chaos, and wonder "Gee, what happened?" And then, no one will be around to help them. This generation of people in the West deserves to be marched around in the desert for 40 years until it dies off.

My concern for the ongoing disintegration only lasts so long. 

At this point, I feel like I'm Jonah waiting for Ninevah to be blown up. 

Clearly the world doesn't want the Church around. And clearly, the world doesn't deserve It.

The only times I ever hear about the Catholic Church in public is when people are mocking it.  Meanwhile, bishops laugh and chortle with their enemies, and they belittle the actual faithful.  

Please, don't confuse this with despair. My mind has not given up on the daily battles that we lose, or the fight for truth that we never seem to convey to anyone. 

I am far from finished fighting in the social spaces, here in the Church Militant that is our Catholic lives. I'm merely stating that I will be satisfied with the justice of the faithless masses stewing in their own juices once they lose everything. In either this life or the next, these people will get what they deserve, and that's a comfort.

Tuesday, June 16, 2015

Laramie vs Lapsed Catholic Feminist #1

So, I decided to let this liberal lady know that there are Catholics in existence that disagree with her.  The exchange somehow began with the woman--kag1982--insulting Rick Santorum for being a conservative Catholic.  I personally don't care about Santorum, but the woman clearly despised conservative Catholics, of which I am one.

Her style began by screaming harassment for publicly disagreeing with her on the public comment forum. As if her aggressive and offensive liberalism was not harassment to our side. Her harassment is acceptable. The Traditional Catholic's is not. Particularly mine, because I'm a man.  After playing the harassment card, she simply flagged every single post she disagreed with in order to dominate the conversation.  Therefore, this conversation is no longer viewable on Crux, in order that she be the main one dominating that social sphere, and in order to suppress any embarrassing rhetoric I shared with her.  The conversation initially took place here.

She, and others like her who I engage online, are SJWs. Social Justice Warriors amble into online social spaces where they are not welcome, and they get real nasty and loud, attracting others of their kind until the status quo has changed. That is how their activism works.

This entrenched liberal woman and others like her are lost. I'm not interested in helping her personally (I am, but it's a lost cause). The target audience is not her. The target audience is everyone who is observing the fight.

By allowing the faithless to run rampant in social spaces like this, we give ground to our enemies. She is deluded into thinking herself right, but in reality, she's off the deep end, and people permit it. Most people don't want to go near her with a 10-foot pole, but she's too blind to see it.  The reason that extreme liberal radicals own the social spaces is because most good people do not participate. Just because one team sits around or hides during the game does not mean the game is cancelled. Merely, the other team wins. Easily.

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I got my information from personal acquaintances and commentators at places like the Acton Institute who thought that Benedict and John Paul II were free market capitalists. "Pope" Ricky S. thinks he is the greatest and purest Catholic of all time but chooses to repudiate most Catholic social justice teachings.

Why? I ask sincerely. I don't support him, but I don't heavily oppose him either

Because he is even more anti-woman than Pope Francis and thinks that women should only be in the kitchen, wants to outlaw birth control, and wouldn't mind gay people being chased back into the closet. And this is even before his and Huckabee's desire to suck up to the Duggars (aka hypocritical child abuse enablers)

Outlaw birth control? Chase gay people back into the closet?
Are you even Catholic?

Santorum has said as much in his interviews. And that is the Catholic Church's position. The bishops fought really hard to keep birth control out of reach to most Filipinos and Francis applauded them.

kag1982, are you Catholic?  I do not know you, and I don't read Crux often. So I am not familiar with you or your views.

Yes... but lapsed.

(Strange. When I asked you the first time if you were a Catholic, Crux decided to erase my question. I thought it an honest question.)

Okay. You are a lapsed Catholic on a Catholic site, and you're arguing for homosexuality and contraception.

Moving back to your original post, do you think that Humane Vitae is an erroneous document?

Yes. As a woman I do.

What specifically do you dislike about the document?

1. The fact that men who never have sex choose to demand that methods that allow women to enjoy sex are off limits and endorse the most complicated forms of birth control that are ineffective and complicated and put the onus on women. Would men like to have to pee into a cup or examine their sperm every day because they hate the most effective means of birth control?

2. The encyclical only cares about women as broodmares. We don't have individual dreams and desires. We are breeding stock with no individuality with the only purpose to keep the human race alive. We have no individual ideas and personalities. Men are individual believers and women are mindless wombs.

The entire document lectures women on their reproductive choices. It is interesting that celibate men, many of whom don't like women, know about the female reproductive system.

I just love the fact that they tell women who are cramping to the point they puke to pray to Jesus and we all just need to be reassured that we aren't crazy. That is real understanding of the female body there.

And the document is hateful because it says that most forms of birth control are sinful and provides women with only shoddy forms of birth control that are complicated and don't work. Would men like to have to pee in a cup every morning or examine their sperm or take their own temperature and do complicated charts? Oh.. You wouldn't. And yet you traditionalist types demand that your wives do. (Of course, only in grave circumstances, which is never.. If a trad husband wants sex, the wife has to spread her legs out...)

So, basically you're a lapsed Catholic who does not believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church. Why would you come to a Catholic site like this when you know that you'd be at odds with everyone's beliefs? What is to gain from this?

Actually, I'm not. There are many liberal Catholics who post here.

"Actually, I'm not. There are many liberal Catholics who post here."

Wait wait. Eleven hours ago, when I asked you if you were a Catholic, you told me you were a lapsed Catholic.

Oh.. I thought that you guys were harassing me and I got my first proof. I do appreciate learning that my opinions are right. I've been personally and nastily harassed since late last year and it is getting boring. I don't mind exposing you. http://www.fisheaters.com/forums/index.php?topic=3468236.0
No.. I am not your field work. I revel in being a modern woman not a broodmare for Jesus. And I don't want to be harassed by your guys. I think that it is funny that you have to deal with a pope who treats the social justice work of the Church seriously.

Oh and fisheaters is a antisemitic and near schismatic forum that rejects the Ordinary Form of the Mass. It is good to have such enemies.



kag1982: "It does amuse me that people continue to believe that the Catholic Church somehow agrees with the Tea Party on economic issues ..."

I don't know where you get your information, but that simply isn't true.
So you can stop being amused.

As I pointed out prior.. Ricky S certainly doesn't believe it. He mentioned it again today. Keep digging there Ricky.

Ah! You've returned with your shrill bantering and cheap glibness. You should stop harassing the people in this comment box.

It is our Church as well despite what you want. Oh.. but I do thank you for letting me know that I wasn't crazy about there being a concerted effort to harass me online.


Please notice, LH, how large sections of our conversation over the past few days have mysteriously disappeared. Do you see what I mean about the Usual Suspects here at Crux and their hatred of open and honest debate?

I simply cannot understand what Rick Santorum as to do with Pope Francis' encyclical. It just seems so way off topic.

But also, I feel threatened by your harassing tone and all of these microaggressions that I am detecting from you.  Why do Catholics--especially self-proclaimed left-wing lapsed Catholics--have to continually persecute other Catholics?  :(

I pray to the Son of the Blessed Virgin Mary that you will find peace and stop these assaults on the hearts of good faithful Catholics, and that people in this comment box may return to a state of peace and continue to discuss the pope's upcoming climate encyclical.

God bless Rick Santorum.  May he walk in the ways of the Lord

Wednesday, June 3, 2015

Global Trade: Imported Priests

From the Washington Examiner: Catholic Church running out of priests, importing from Africa, Asia
A remarkable survey of the worldwide Catholic Church finds that the Vatican is fading in Europe, once its population base, and running so short of priests for U.S. churches that they are being imported from Africa and Asia.

We have to import priests now because in the emasculated West, Catholicism has become a run-away emasculated Non-Governmental Organization with Sunday meetings. Really, who wants to listen to the homily of an effeminate out-of-shape man who mentions the word love over 30 times within ten minutes.

A life of Christianity is coarse and difficult. It should attract the best of men. But when Christ's institution sweeps away the important parts of Christianity, you're left with a sewing circle.