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Friday, September 27, 2013

Sedevacantism: Part 3

Sedevacantism is a schism.  The Chair of Peter is NOT empty.  There have been men with the authority of the Vicar of Christ in the Vatican since 1968.  This is just a new form of division that Satan is enacting in our battered and bloodied Church.

Furthermore, I have a prediction:

Sedevacantism will never ever go away.  It will linger in existence until the return of Jesus Christ.  Further, sedevacantists will grow in their hatred for the True Church as the decades roll by.  The very mention of the Catholic Church will cause instantaneous scoffing, eye rolling, and sneering.

Loyal sedevacantist followers will never be satisfied.  There will never be anyone arising from anywhere to do anything they want.  Ever.  If the pope is fake, and if the cardinals are wrong, and the bishops are corrupt, then just where is a legitimate pope supposed to arise from?

Another prediction: sedevacantism will grow in its members.  You can look forward to many societies, clubs, conferences, and publications.  The Devil likes to have as many opposition groups against the Universal Church of God as possible.  There will be people who convert directly into sedevacantism without ever having sworn any kind of fealty to the Mother Church.  This is because the idea of being in opposition to the big bad loony popes of old will be an attractive prospect, courtesy of our anti-Christian media.

In a hundred years or more--if the world lasts that long--sedevacantists will still be around enjoying the same status as Eastern Orthodox.  Meanwhile, the real news will be what is happening in the Catholic Church that the sedes departed from.

10 comments:

  1. You wrote: "The Devil likes to have as many opposition groups against the Universal Church of God as possible. There will be people who convert directly into sedevacantism without ever having sworn any kind of fealty to the Mother Church. This is because the idea of being in opposition to the big bad loony popes of old will be an attractive prospect, courtesy of our anti-Christian media."

    Do you think that more graces are gained sitting week after week in a parish more protestant than Catholic than having your spiritual sensibilities satisfied at your local independent chapel? If so, why do Catholics who stay and suffer have the distinct feeling that they are running on fumes when it comes to grace? What are they doing wrong?

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  2. Hey you got other posters on here besides me. Well done.

    I just here to state a fact.
    The church teaches that if a person cannot bring himself to acknowledge a person claiming to be pope as a true pope - for reasons of suspected heresy that disqualifies him,

    they INCUR NO SIN
    but are in fact doing the Catholic faith

    BUT
    If you accept a claimer of pope title who you KNOW to be a heretic
    you commit SIN

    Thus
    you see
    it is acutally the people who blindly follow Vatican 2 to their doom
    or who know the "pope" is an apostate and still follow him anyway

    who are in fact destroying the church - destroying themselves
    and wasting time money and energy in supporting
    a non catholic for the position of pope

    Finally,
    My local church had a choir at novus ordo mass, the choir
    sang amazing grace. This is protestant heretic song.
    I write like I am illiterate German today for some reason.
    Now this is what the other poster says.

    BUT YOU SAY
    Francis 1 ( Outrageous anti-Catholic) is the pope
    &
    People who leave this stupid protestant church actually stay in the church
    While the TRUE CHURCH WHO ARE THE LEAVES AND GOT THE FAITH aint no Catholic?

    What giveth?
    btw
    What planet u on?

    Also
    Pray for me one hail mary, for I am a sinner.

    Pseudo Proxy Quazi Regards
    TCAT~~~

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  3. By the way, I just don't understand this inordinate affection you pope supporters have for the pope. Whats that about. He is not a saint, but you act like he is the messiah, he is just a man like the rest of us. Why do you love this guy. He spends everyday trying to dismantle the church and replace it with a protestant freemasonic inspired "church". Your idolatry of the man is fulfilling the prophesy of the antichrist, and is foolish. I think you will find that in 50 years the only ones saying the rosary and praying to mary will be the sedevacantists, not your so called mother church which has broken away from the faith.
    YOU ACT LIKE ITS THE VALID CHURCH BECAUSE IT HAS LOTS OF ADHERENTS. IT IS A NUMBERS GAME TO YOU.
    You are not interested in what is right, you think that just because they are big now that they must be right, but 99 percent of catholics don't believe in what the religion stands for, who does? THE SEDEVACANTISTS They still do everything in the old way pre Vatican 2.

    Like the prophesy says "~When the son of man returns will he find faith on earth?"
    The Vatican 2 antichurch will still be round, probably full of women priests and open homos and protestants, but it wont be the true church, the new mass is a sacrilidge. But the trad catholic true believers will have cut off the poison for their own good and done the right thing - following Catholic tradition and stayed true.

    ps I know I made grammer mistakes in previous post but I don't care besides you get my drift.
    you say people who stay in the fake church stay in the real church
    but
    people who leave to save their faith and avoid sin are the ones who leave

    you got a dose of the diabolical disorientation!
    0_0

    Orate pro mei
    TCat

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  4. TCat, thanks for your input. You've stated your case. I'd say it's a basic statement from your basic sedevacantist.

    At this point, I will only say that I am no big fan of Pope Francis. He has been bungling so many things with his reckless words, and he really strikes me as a modernist pope.

    I find that I can identify very much with the recent opinions of Ann Barnhardt on her website, www.barnhardt.biz. She is definitely no fan of this pope, and in fact, she considers him to be a punishment on the Church for our lukewarm practice of the Catholic Faith.

    Indeed, Pope Francis is not my choice for pope. I would MUCH RATHER HAVE HAD CARDINAL RAYMOND BURKE as our pope. I prayed that he would have been pope. But, it seems that God decided to award us with the pope we deserve. We are one of the most wicked generations of people since the Flood, and our current imbroglio seems deserved.

    There has been much discussion about the very phenomenon of sedevacantism over at Cathinfo and Suscipe Domine, although I find conversation at the latter to be more informing. I tried to gin up some conversation at Catholic Answers Forum, but they promptly censored it, as expected. I even mentioned my position over at Fisheaters, but Vox Clamantis threw that thread straight into the Cornfield.

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  5. An anonymous person asked:

    "Do you think that more graces are gained sitting week after week in a parish more protestant than Catholic than having your spiritual sensibilities satisfied at your local independent chapel?"

    A good Catholic who recognized the superiority of the Traditional Mass will likely attend that Mass. The FSSP is growing around this country, and rather than attending a legitimate, yet inferior Novus Ordo Mass, one can enrich themselves spiritually if they instead choose to attend the Tridentine Mass.

    But also, we do not attend Mass in order to have our "spiritual sensibilities satisfied." We attend Mass to worship God. We attend Mass to pour ourselves out to the Almighty. We are there for Him, and to receive the Body and Blood of Christ.

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    1. Even though you don't agree with the sedevacantists, do you think it would be all right to attend their Mass if you had no other parish option, or FSSP parish, close enough? Don't you think, at this point in time, there is enough of a crisis in the Church to warrant it?

      Anonymous777 (the first anonymous poster on this thread)

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    2. Howdy Anonymous777.

      I do not think it is okay to attend a sedevacantist mass. These folks are in schism with the Church, and it is unlikely that there is a Real Presence available in such a service. If there is not FSSP parish, then I would go to a Novus Ordo Mass. It is valid, the Holy Presence is real there, and you can receive the graces of sacraments there.

      I think that if one is unable to get into an FSSP community, then fight in the trenches until one forms. A few years ago, I suggested to my local parish priest that introducing the Latin Mass at our parish would help spark life into the parish, and perhaps--if implemented correctly--it could help bridge the gap between the English-speaking parishioners with the Spanish-speaking parishioners. He chuckled and said that it seemed impossible, and he softly bemoaned the idea of having to learn Latin. Now, however, our parish is growing quickly, and there's more families attending than ever before. A success? Who knew? (I did.)

      Is there enough of a crisis in the Church to warrant attending a sedevacantist mass? No. Not yet. Pope Francis enjoys speaking off the cuff a lot. And even if he DOES rearrange the College of Cardinals, so that it's filled with Marxists--he is still the pope. The apostolic authority is there, even if he abuses it.

      God puts leaders in their places. The Almighty seems to think we deserve this pope. The best thing to do, if we as laymen want to return the Church--and society--to a normal state, is to do our level best on the ground to stand up for Christ.

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    3. Bah. Where's the edit function?!

      I forgot to add, our parish is doing great BECAUSE OF THE INTRODUCTION OF THE LATIN. It's drawn the Catholic-minded to our doors.

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    4. How dare you say that the real presence is not there at a sedevacantist mass. You know nothing. If a priest is validly ordained, of which there is no doubt with the sedevacantist clergy ( your novus ordo new rite of paul 6 is another story however!) - then they can confect the sacrament. Shows what you know about tradition.

      You want a latin mass but you don't want the ideology that goes with it. If there is a pope he is mentioned in mass, but there have been many times in church history where there was no pope, and if you don't know that you don't know history. When there is no pope there is no mention of him.

      We hold that this is one of those times.
      WHY?

      Because a heretic cannot have office in the church.

      You just have a sentimental attachment to the idea of "pope"
      You don't go any deeper into the issue because you are uncomfortable with what the implications are.
      I ask you, what is so bad about not having a pope at the moment?
      Nothing.
      The church is in an emergency.
      The Vatican has defected to the enemy of freemasonry and francis 1 is most likely a mason ( the lodges praise him and the media do also)

      Everyone who is false and fake and catholic in name only loves this guy francis 1. But he is dangerous. He is radically destroying the faith of those who follow him.

      Understand this -> If you don't resist him you will adopt his ideas.

      It is a sin to not have rage at something that ought to evoke rage.
      Where is your holy rage?

      You just want to be able to say there is a pope and that the gates of hell did not triumph over the church.
      Well it is doctrine that even if the church were reduced to a remnant, that remnant would be the church, and the gates of hell would not triumph over the church meaning there would always be someone left.

      Btw.
      Why has no one on cathinfo called for me to be unbanned.
      I was the one getting abused and ridiculed and insulted frequently and I stand up for myself once and I get banned.

      I have watched fr Pfeiffer and other resistance priest's speeches and find their position ridiculous. They don't accept Vatican 2, but accept the post Vatican 2 popes. If you don't accept a true pope then you are in schism. So how about a taste of your own argument eh Laramie?

      How are you and your sspx buddies not in schism?

      If you have cause to doubt he is the pope, then it is no sin, but if you know he is a heretic and outside the church because he is not even remotely catholic, and you still think he is the legit leader of the chuch, then you are in schism. Why? Because the Vatican 2 sect broke away from tradition and introduced a new religion, they, the Vatican 2, are in schism. Just because they got the numbers doesn't make them right. Most people were nieve and didn't think the church could defect - they did not have a proper understanding of church history ( arian heresy for eg)

      Anyway that is my 2€
      Did you know that in Europe we have a 2 euro coin? Gold on the inside and silver on the outside...
      Is francis 1 the gold inside the Vatican 2 sect?
      Or is the comparison better made with a festering absyss instead?

      Break free from Vatican 2 sect. Join CMRI or SSPV
      2€

      TradCat

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  6. “Because a heretic cannot have office in the church.”

    What heresy?


    “You just have a sentimental attachment to the idea of ‘pope.’”

    Not particularly. There was a Conclave, and we have a Pope.



    “You don't go any deeper into the issue because you are uncomfortable with what the implications are.”

    I don’t go any deeper because I don’t spend all day on the internet. I have oodles to say, but I have a lot to do in life, and arguing with sedevacantists on the internet is nowhere near the head of the line.


    “I ask you, what is so bad about not having a pope at the moment?”

    But we do have a pope. It’s not an option. A pope has been chosen, and now we have one.


    “Understand this -> If you don't resist him you will adopt his ideas.”

    I accept Pope Francis’ authority, yet I resist his spin on what it means to be Catholic. So far, I have not adopted his modernist-styled ideas.

    “It is a sin to not have rage at something that ought to evoke rage. Where is your holy rage?”

    I have lots of holy rage. But this is the internet. Not much one can do on the internet except type.


    “You just want to be able to say there is a pope and that the gates of hell did not triumph over the church.”

    To “say there IS a pope” is not an end in itself. We simply have one. The world has one. That’s all. If he gets assassinated or gets a heart attack or something, then we won’t have one. Then there’ll have to be another Conclave.


    “Why has no one on cathinfo called for me to be unbanned.
    I was the one getting abused and ridiculed and insulted frequently and I stand up for myself once and I get banned.”

    Yes, TCat, it seems unfair that you were banned from Cathinfo. Your thoughts are very in line with a lot of folks there. My discussion on sedevacantism is being kept in the Crisis subforum. Perhaps that’s why the conversation is allowed to continue. I believe it is. If you want back on, send a message to Matt.


    “How are you and your sspx buddies not in schism?”

    I am not involved in the SSPX. I attend the FSSP Mass, which is recognized by the Church.

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