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Fisheaters Posts, April 10, 2009 - March 21, 2010

And so, here we have another round of posts from Fisheaters.

Witnessing that first year of conversation on the Fisheater forum, it becomes obvious that I entered a time in my life in which I became acutely aware of Alex Jones-styled "fear porn."  Of course, that is not to say that Alex Jones was wrong.  It is actually startling how right he has been after all these years.  And of course, the excitement of it all made me keenly alert and excitable in my ideas.

It was within this period that I playfully came up with the thread "I wanna leave America," which managed to attract an enormous amount of contentious attention.  I really shouldn't have been surprised. The neoConservative embers were still glowing red in 2009, and conservative-minded people were still ready to be up in arms if anything negative was said about this country.  Now, however, a discussion about leaving the United States doesn't seem all that out of place.  And it only took four years.


American Kristallnacht ...continued
April 10, 2009

Quote: HMiS
If you have stocked up water, food, blankets and live in a not heavily crowded area, why should you worry?

LH: While, yes, I've started to save up some food and got enough blankets, I do nevertheless live on the edge of a medium-sized city in a not-too-great neighborhood (when compared to other neighborhoods in the city).

Quote: HMiS
Your debts seem fairly minor compared to those of other persons. And if you have a College Degree, work should not be too hard to find? Is it?

LH: Yes, I have two college degrees. My first was English. So much for that. There are no paying jobs for schmucks with English degrees. All we're good at is reading and being literate (hopefully)!

Second degree: Radiography. I pull in about $20 an hour, and I'm the only income in the family. The wifey is pregnant and too sick to work, and she's been needing me to stay home because she is new to town and I'm the only one she knows. I had a second job, but I've had to quit it to help her around the house. It was a family over money decision.

While I do realize that I sound like someone who is not placing complete control in God's hands, and that I'm worrying too much about the temporal here, I nevertheless think that it doesn't hurt to have prudent planning.

Proceeding toward a new general question: If things get terrible, do any of you think that the government would do something very questionable? I've heard the idea of martial law being tossed around a lot. Do you think the government would declare martial law if things got out of hand?
I mean, we can store up all the canned food we want. But in the end, what if geared up squads of men start going house to house?

They will need more squads than they can raise in a generation and these squads will have to be dissociated from the USA population.

LH: Do you think 80,000 well-trained troops (with urban warfare lessons from Iraq) would be enough to subdue alarge portion of the States?

I doubt most US soldiers would go along with that. There's a good number of God-fearing, Constitutionally-oriented officers, I believe. Any Armed Forces folks care to substantiate that?

That is about how many troops are in Afghanistan. Look at how well they are doing.
There are not many enemy fighters against them.

80,000 troops with supporting equipment might be able to subdue a few states. The more they spread out, the less effective they will be. In fact, they might only be able to have control over a few cities, let alone a few states.

It all depends on what kind of control they want as well. If they wanted to kill everyone, it would be possible using the USA's nuclear arsenal. If they wanted to provide security from external threats, they could do that (they do that now). If they wanted to control a depopulated city (New Orleans), they could. They could not enforce control over a fully active city though without causing serious destruction. That would be counter productive as well.

This also requires the total cooperation of the troops.

Here's an article about troop deployment within the U.S.. This article confirms that about 20,000 combat troops are already being deployed. This is from veteransforcommonsense.org:


And here was a moment of outrage from Representative Peter DeFazio about how he and others were not being told about a federal plan to maintain stability within the U.S.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_gD25lwjAk&feature=relatedHYPERLINK "http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/articleid/11988"

Hirsch, you need to curb your panic, man. (I know Hirsch, so I can be a little rough on him.) You're getting a lot of good advice here, esp. in the last post: have a drink.

"I work with the poor; they're pretty underwhelmed by this middle class panic." Exactly.

The financial mess really won't affect the majority of people. Christ said the poor are blessed--and we're all poor in some way or other. Lewis advised Christians (I don't remember where now) to live in a state of "cheerful insecurity." I think you're seeking a security that you can't have.

I, too, tend toward the agrarian/survivalist way of things, but I fight against these tendencies. I would just be tearing down one kind of barn to build another, and then my soul might be required of me.

I've always lived pretty much from paycheck to paycheck. But two years ago I inherited some money, and I had my life all planned out. Then I lost half of it in the stock market. And then, to top it all off, my wife broke her back (no insurance), and now I have huge medical bills. My plans changed.

In my more lucid moments, I'm grateful. My debts are bigger than my assets, and so I am finally, little by little, learning to trust God and live one day at a time.

I know this next statement is hackneyed, but it's true nevertheless. These economic and societal problems will be good for a lot us.

Suck it up, Hirsch, and embrace your imminent impecuniousness.

M. L. Hearing

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Book of Revelations
May 02, 2009

Okay, so, an idea occurred to me after reading Michael O'Brien's Father Elijah. When I was young, I thought that the Book of Revelations was linear. That the events would occurr in order from the beginning of the book to the end. However, I'm starting to think something else. What if Revelations is several tellings of events in an overlapping manner. For example, as we know, there are seven seals and trumpets that correspond to events up until the 12th chapter. What if, after chapter 12, we get a retelling of what is to happen in a different perspective? What if it is an overlapping narrative?

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My bad about the improper address of the book. I used to be a Protestant, so it's always been Revelations in my mind. My bad!

I read on another post on fisheaters some time ago about how the Bible can be read typologically. And that simply opened my mind to the concept that many books I'm familiar with have more layers to them.

I truly do believe that the section in The Apocalypse referring to the seven seals and seven trumpets is a linear progression of something that is to happen, and that the sixth and seventh seal involve the Conflagration--those conversation inspiring Three Days of Darkness we hear about every now and then! (And I just wanna point out how interesting it is that the first five seals are events that can be caused by humankind. It's not until seal #6 that we see Divine intervention come into play.)

Anyhoo, I think that once the discussion about the seventh trumpet is over, and the imagery skips to a depiction of Mary vs. Satan, the linear progression of our future history stops, and the apostle is taking us into a scene both literal at one time, but also meaningful cosmically. And after the narrative about Mary and the Dragon, the writing skips back into a discussion about prophecy of the future.

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Star Trek Prescreenings
May 09, 2009

For all those who enjoy pasty scripts and cardboard acting, the new Star Trek will disappoint you.

I went to the movie without hopes of being blown away. I did expect it to be a little silly here and there, but the way they remade how inspiring space travel can be with the soundtrack, the camera shots, and the sublime background was really cool.

I was amused at the whole movie because I could distinctly pick out the parts that would offend trekkies! I had a good time. It was an afternoon of amusement for me. Nice movie.

We the People video nails it.........
May 09, 2009
Yes, we could tell the American people that this country is about to become a Nazi Germany or a Bolshevik Russia, or a North Korea...but the people would never give one wit. No matter how colorfully we describe or explain the situation, the people will never learn--and some will even defend their own slavery.

If it can be said that Lucifer was controlling the reigns of this nation in the last century, then perhaps it could be said that he has cultivated a generation of withered men.

I am predicting that we will hear more Left Wing rhetoric that conservatives are potential militants and terrorists, and in a year or more (maybe a few years) the conservatives will fear speaking their beliefs openly in the public and on the internet. That's my prediction!

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Ron Paul on Pelosi, on his prediction of the fall Fannie Mae made in '03, etc.
May 17, 2009

Sometimes it seems that he's the only thinking man in Washington.

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June 11, 2009

Speaking of secret organizations, I've recently heard that good ol' Rupert Murdoch was a member of those Bilderberg meetings. Which is just perfect. I wonder which parts of the media world are not vying to control our minds. Thought Fox News was a nice sanctuary from the liberal media? Guess again.

Here's the link to what I've read lately: http://baltimorechronicle.com/2009/060109Lendman.html

Here's a tasty little excerpt:

Programming the Public Mind

According to sociologist Hadley Cantril in his 1967 book, The Human Dimension - Experiences in Policy Research:

Government "Psycho-political operations are propaganda campaigns designed to create perpetual tension and to manipulate different groups of people to accept the particular climate of opinion the CFR seeks to achieve in the world."

Canadian writer Ken Adachi (1929 - 1989) added:

"What most Americans believe to be 'Public Opinion' is in reality carefully crafted and scripted propaganda designed to elicit a desired behavioral response from the public."

And noted Australian academic and activist Alex Carey (1922 - 1988) explained the three most important 20th century developments - "The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy."

Web of Control

Numerous think tanks, foundations, the major media, and other key organizations are staffed with CFR members. Most of its life-members also belong to the TC and Bilderberg Group, operate secretly, and wield enormous power over US and world affairs.

I believe Murdoch's association with the Bilderberg meetings helps to explain why all Fox affiliated radio hosts (such as Hannity or Levin or John Gibson) tend to hang up on people or mock people who endorse Ron Paul or try to discuss the Bilderbergs or the Trilateral Commission.

Even good ol' boys like Shephard Smith are against independent thinkers, such as we who believe Obama is not even a citizen. Read the latest folks? http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100732

Ah well, no matter. Actually, it's a shame, though funny, that WorldNetDaily had to do an attack piece on Shephard Smith to coincide with his attack on people suspicious of Obama's citizenship.

Good times. Can't trust anything but God in this tent of an existence.

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One more thing, here's a nice little description of who exactly Murdoch is. Seems to me like the man only caters to conservatives, but places no stock in us. He just has a bunch of "conservative" patsies reporting as if they are on our side.

Although he is usually described as (and demonized by the political left as) a political conservative, there is little evidence that he has any firm political or moral convictions that could be described as "conservative" in the conventional sense. While Murdoch’s Fox News is famous (or infamous) for ranting commentators who toe the Republican line and serve as herders to keep the GOP’s core constituency (pro-life, pro-gun, pro-family, fiscally conservative, small government) within the party, his global tabloid-TV-movie-entertainment conglomerate is always on the cutting edge of breaking taboos: profanity, sexually explicit material, pornography, violence, crudity.

Moreover, he is a big fan of Communist China, is giddy over Obama, gives campaign contributions to Hillary Clinton and other far-left Democrats, and is a committed globalist who has now become more green than Al Gore

The New America link is here: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/election/834

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How woud you rate your present parish?
June 14, 2009

I don't have the time to go into too much detail here, but I'll say that I attend many different kinds of Masses here in Tulsa, Oklahoma (about 4 or 5, wherever I am in town or depending on the time I can attend). And sadly, our rating here in this town ranges between 1.5 and 4, I'd say.

We have a parish that celebrated the TLM as full as it can, but that church is located waaaaay in the northside of town in an area that scares off most churchgoers. I've attended it about a dozen times and loved it every time.

Currently I go to a hospital chapel to celebrate Mass (due to work circumstances). They don't really offer confession, and it's Norvus Ordo, and the priests are hard to understand, and the message is kinda bland and yeah....

I suppose in the end it's all about Christ working through the apostolic authority that was bestowed unto the priest.

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Adam, Eve, & Dinosaurs
June 20, 2009

I have a fairly open mind and think that some fairly "nutty" things may, in fact, be real. For example, I think that there may be a large reptile of some sort living in the Amazon called Mokele Mbembe. I was super interested in Bigfoot as a child. The practice of cryptozoology continues to be a topic of interest to me, and one that has some pretty plausible hypotheses But, even the most outrageous claims about unknown species are nothing compared to this belief that men and dinosaurs lived together.

It's not only devoid of evidence, it has been completely and utterly refuted by every stitch of archaeology and anthropology known to man. Radioactive Carbon Dating is not something made up. The Earth is not thousands or even millions of years old. It is billions of years old. Evolution appears to be beyond proven, at least on a small scale. And all of this is ok.

I'm not sure why this Kent Hovind stuff continues to hold in the minds of so many Christians, especially Catholics. We have to follow Truth in science as well as theology and the vast majority of scientific knowledge points toward these truths. Any evidence that you have shown so far is definitely so rare and so overwhelmed with counter-evidence that it proves itself to be nothing but an anomaly not yet fully understood.

As to those paintings... they are very cool. Perhaps some sort of unknown species did exist in some remote part of the world during the time of early man, but an age of dinosaurs has never coexisted with an age of men. Most likely they are part of fantasy and mythology. Certainly most would agree that dragons didn't exist in the Middle Ages yet all of their paintings could cause some confusion to archaeologists in the future.

Well Walty, since you're a bit of a fan of cryptozoology, perhaps some titilating triva for you lies in the fact that mostly when they find dinosaur bones, they are all found in clusters, as if they were swept into a canyon and died, or something like that. The bones are found mangled and tossed about, as if some sort of catastrophe threw them down. (Great Deluge anyone?)

Also, check out this latest nifty article: Discovery Raises New Doubts About Dinosaur-bird Links, http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090609092055.htm

Finally, remember the last chapters of the book of Daniel that involved a dragon? Fun stuff.

Y'all ought to get me goin' about giants.

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Worst book ever read
June 20, 2009

James Joyce's writings are masturbatory.

I can thank college for trying to expose me to that loser.

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About James Joyce, I find that stream-of-consciousness writing is selfserving only. The only one who seems to benefit from that style of writing is the writer. It's like listening to someone talk about a dream they had.

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Anne Rice Intrigues Me
June 27, 2009

You know, lately I've been a little depressed with the world and the news and all of this that and the other. And so, I've been wanting to return to some of my roots--that is, fiction that was exciting and adventerous and inspired me. And then, I remember reading the Witching Hour back when I was still an undergraduate. I just loved her prose. She writes so well.

So, lately, I've been working on her Vampire books. I finished Interview with the Vampire, and I'm on Lestat now. So far, so good. Her craft is really great. I feel inspired to perhaps write a little once more.

I'm just so tired of the harsh cold choices the people in this world are making--I find myself retreating into myths and fictions these days. I don't spend much time looking into news as I once did. I'll read the news, and it'll say: "Another awful thing happened today," or "Congress is once again radically transforming the United States," or "another kid got kidnapped." And I say to myself and to the computer screen: "Okay, I get it. The world is falling apart. Nothing I seem to be able to do about it. Get out of my face already, I've had enough."

I used to not always be this way, but I find I cannot take it anymore when it comes to my old newsjunkie habit. I need to be inspired again so that I can have my imagination back.

And Anne Rice's description of what it must be like for an immortal to live century after century--the coping tactics of a vampire--it's just so cool.

I hope Rice comes around to Traditional Catholicism before she kicks the bucket.

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"Closing Some Windows"
June 27, 2009

Here's a good article from M. Hearing from goodcatholicwriting.com. I like this site. It seems we just don't get too many writers these days who are Catholic. I'm just wondering if the site will feature something about the Anne Rice conversion and some of her earlier books. Been reading a lot of her stuff lately.

I like Michael O'Brien's website too (that is, I like it whenever he puts a new article up).

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We had another big storm the other day. I woke up about four in the morning to the sound of plants crashing off the window sills. So I jumped up, rattled down the stairs, and ran around slamming windows shut just in time. Afterwards, I felt secure breathing that still, comforting inside-of-the-house smell again.

Fresh air is good—at the right time and in the right amounts—but you don't want to open the windows too wide and leave them open too long. If you do that, eventually, storm winds will blow through and overturn everything in the house. There comes a point when the windows have to be shut.

Father M. arrived in our area a few weeks ago, and he seems to have brought a refreshing breath of old air with him. I must confess, though, I had my doubts about him at first.

My convert friend had taken some instruction from Father M., and he told me how it went. My friend told me that Father M. kept talking about "community," and that sent up warning flags all around. Just as you have to beware of folks who throw around words like "tolerance" and "diversity" and "facilitate," you also need to look out for the ones who keep saying "community" instead of "parish" or "church." Because they often turn out to be people who prefer the Church to be a social-service organization rather than the instrument for the shedding of sins, receiving grace, and getting help heavenward.

But the first time I heard Father M. say Mass, my fears fell away. At the beginning of Mass, he introduced himself, gave a bit of his background, said he was here to serve, call him anytime, and all the yawn-provoking stuff you would expect. But, then, he said something else. He said: "I am willing to die for you." Now that will make you sit up straight in your uncomfortable pew and knock your shins against the kneeler.

We don't hear much about dying anymore, but we do hear a lot about healing and forgiveness and living life to the fullest. It's easy to forget that dying is the prerequisite for all the rest. This is the kind of straight talking a lot of us need.

In his homily Father M. said quite a bit about duty, chiefly about the duties of Catholic parents to children and Catholic children to parents. "Duty"—the doing of something simply because it ought to be done whether you want to or not, a small dying to self—that's another word that isn't used much anymore. He also made it clear that this covenant-like familial duty is inextricably bound up with love. I got the impression that Father M. isn't afraid to use the sword of the intellect to make necessary distinctions.

There was one other delightful surprise. Father M. chanted some parts of the mass that are usually just spoken. Just this small insertion of the old way of doing it really evoked a sense of awe and the sacred for me. It helped me keep my mind where it should be, instead of wandering off on thoughts of dinner and dread of mowing the lawn.

I don't know exactly what they're doing in Tanzania, but they must have something right. It seems, if Father M. is representative, they still know what family is about. They also seem to remember that Christ said he came to bring not peace but a sword.

A sword and a window are alike in several ways. They must be kept clean in order to remain serviceable, and they both throw off brilliant coruscations when the sun hits them just right. A sharp sword divides and makes abrupt distinctions and can keep its owner safe. A window is a moveable barrier that separates the inside of the house from the outside and can keep the family inside the house safe from evil storm winds outside. And it, too, must be used judiciously, because, like a sword, it can be used for either good or ill.

So, let the lightning flash, and let the rains pound away. We know we're tucked away safe inside our House because men like Father M. are shutting windows when it is needed and allowing us to breathe a little of the invigorating old air that has sustained our family for nearly two millennia.

Welcome, Father M.

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On teaching your child to kill
July 04, 2009

Recently, Oklahoma has opened up bear hunting in the southeast part of the state. I'd like to give it a try some day, but first I think I ought to hunt deer.

Hunting is an important skill for us human beings. There will be a time (perhaps soon) where we cannot always depend on prepackaged food shimmering in the refrigerator lights of the grocery store.

Gardening your own food is important too, though.

The Great Amputation
July 04, 2009

I believe America is about to be destroyed. Our economy is about to collapse. Our current standing in the world is being subverted by people put into power by external forces. My way of life is about to change, and it will become more difficult than it is right now.

I call this period the Great Amputation. Because sanity is being amputated from our culture.

Now, any amputation usually merits some sort of pain killer or an anesthetic. And with that in mind, I am turning to escapist fiction in novels, videogames, good movies. Things like that. The capital is on fire, and I will go to the theater!

It is not that I am trying to become drunk with delusion. It is just that there is nothing that we citizens can do to change the power structure. The power is out of our hands. Our votes do not matter. Districts have been redrawn. Elections are gerrymandered (is that correct spelling?).

So, I'm just throwing another log on the fire. Putting another worm on the hook. Getting more ice for my glass. Going to the fridge, so to speak. What more can we do but wait. I cannot take reading the news every day, like I used to. I cannot do it, when I know what's coming.

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Should we be looking at the news in the face everyday, obsessing over matters that are enormous that one individual cannot control? Growing up, people used to say that one individual can make an enormous difference in the world. I believe this to be wrong. Especially now. There are powers at work right now that no one can reverse.

I know that God wants us to have sober hearts. He wants us to be sober from the drink, for sure. But He also wants us sober from drugs, from addictions, from addiction to television, video games, etc. He wants us to have a clear mind about things, most true. However...we can only live one day at a time and not worry, as Christ instructed.

Is it wrong to keep our attention on the microcosms of our lives? To live our culture as we live it, oblivious and uninterested in the humongous changes taking place? (Is not that last sentence how the monks do it in the monasteries? I heard that Padre Pio knew the general movement of world affairs without even reading a newspaper.)

Altruism in the MMORPG : World of Warcraft
July 11, 2009
So, I created a brand new character after a year and a half. He is a human priest, so he can heal other players if they need me. Currently, I got this guy leveled up to 14.

My goal was to play altruistically. Just go wherever the wind blows me. If I feel like fishing, so be it. If I feel like helping people out--then great. I was not going to obsess about getting great armor or leveling up my profession or leveling up as fast as possible or any of that. Nor was I planning on hording up a large amount of gold. No...I was just simply going to be an altruistic soul in a digital microcosm, appreciating the humanity that flowed around me.

Yet, I have found that no one wants my help. Everyone is a high-leveled player, and they are all going crazy up on the new continent NorthRend! There are hardly any new players. And what few low leveled players I come across, they are usually spare characters--meaning that the other Warcraft players have high-leveled characters but they are so bored with them that they are creating more characters, pushing them through low levels as fast as they can so that they can finally say they have more than one high leveled character.

Altruism is not working. The other MMORPG players seem to be kind of greedy and obsessive. They are usually rude. There is a lack of pleasure in the game for these people--only obsession and addiction.
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Speaking of becoming obsessive and non-fun, this World of Warcraft game has a very big problem, and that is the cost of the flying mounts! To get a fast flying mount, you need to pay up to 7000 gold. For those non-gamers who have no perspective of how many hours this represents, let me put it to you this way--I worked to only earn gold for about two days at 3-hour intervals. I simply went out to perform tasks assigned by the characters in the game, and I was out killing enemies and earning money. After three days of doing this, I only earned about 300 gold.

This is why MMORGP's are evil. They aren't games; they are realities which suck people into them.

Well, Rosarium, I know this sounds a little silly, but I believe that videogames are art. They are expressions of our human psyche. They are a form of art that is visual, something you can hear, and something you can participate with. And is that not the purpose of art? To capture the person's mind? Do we not look at a painting and become drawn into its landscape?

Only, the thing with World of Warcraft is that it can draw ya in, trap ya, and suck the life out of ya if you let it. Such is the nature of vices.

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The enemy within..........
July 12, 2009
And just how are we supposed to root out traitorously spirited fiends?

We continue to call out the traitors on radio talk shows, but soon, legislators will choke talk radio and a lot of sensible communication will stop.
Should we put one guy in the Congress who points this stuff out? Two? He/They would be considered at McCarthyists. Flood our congressmen and senators with phone calls? They ignore us.

I'm afraid, my friends, that only God Himself can save us now.

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Red Giant Star Betelgeuse Is Mysteriously Shrinking
July 26, 2009

I, too, have recently had a dream of either the moon or a part of the moon coming down to fall on the earth.

I've had lots of dreams in the last half-dozen years about some sort of large body approaching the Earth. They're either planets or moons or chunks of something.

For what it's worth.

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Which is the Greater Enemy of Catholicism: Islam or Protestantism
August 01, 2009
Protestantism is the greater enemy.

The Protestants seem to have a hidden, passive/aggressive outlook on the Church that reminds me of one knifing another in the back.

I think that the plain and often visual aggression of Islam creates a fortifying element for a Christian society. We know who the antagonist is, and it causes us to unite.

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I say Islam. Protestantism is a dying movement islam isnt.

Wrong, Baskerville. Come to the Buckle of the Bible Belt, here in Tulsa, and I will show you thriving blind Protestantism.

And not only is Protestantism doing okay here in America, but it is even morphing into new, New Age incarnations. To understand this, just listen to Coast to Coast AM sometime, and listen how these independent kooks take the Bible into their own crazed context to form their new mini religions.

Protestantism is a cancerous tumor. It takes odd forms and shapes. Once in the system, it cannot be rooted out. It has metastasized throughout the world, and it's unstoppable. Millions are becoming blinded and confused with a muddled message of Christianity.

Think on this...there are Baptist missionaries who go to the PHILIPPINES to do MISSIONARY WORK!!! Why? 80% of the people there are Catholic!!! Isn't that Christian enough for a Protestant Bible thumper? Guess not.

Protestantism is a cancer. Islam is a feral animal to be confronted.

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Okay...let me put it this way then:

Islam can destroy our bodies and our buildings. Protestantism is rotting away our soul.

Weigh the two, what's more critical here? The soul? Or, our physical body?

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I wanna leave America, where do I go?
August 01, 2009

Yup. You read it. I want out! This place is turnin' into Cuba FAST!

So, where could my family and I go? Which would be the best/safest place for a Catholic family like us?

The wife is from the Philippines, and I know it's a good country there, although it's third world. I really like hearing about Malta. And I've heard some nice things about Ecuador's history, though, I am not sure if Ecuador is such a great place today.

Where is an okay place to move if I'm to leave this soon-to-be-prison State of America? Any ideas?
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I would suggest finding a more suitable place in the USA.

If that doesn't work, I recommend you move to Sudan, South Africa or Libya. You could try Sri Lanka or Vietnam or China as well.

If nothing else, you'll see how the USA is not so bad ;)

Now, now Rosarium! You're pointing out the WORST places to go--the complete antithesis of what I was lookin' for! I used to have that attitude that you have. Often, liberals would come to me and brag how much better other countries are. And like you, I would always tell them: "Why don't you leave this place and go off to Cuba or wherever, and then tell me you don't miss America!" I was always patriotic.

But lately, it looks like the United States is becoming like Nazi Germany. Seriously. I know it sounds over-the-top. But this healthbill, with all its qualifiers for abortion and euthanasia, and these rumors of interment camps, and Obama's desire to create a civilian security force with young people having to do MANDATORY SERVICE....these things cause me to grow concern for my family. My children. I want to escape the secular horror show that this nation is growing into, for the safety of my kids.

Money is nice, but I'm willing for us to not have all these nice American commodities. And my wife is also simple and finds our lifestyle excessive.

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If my martyrdom is coming, I'm not running from it.

Nothing wrong with martyrdom, DrBombay. Especially if you're celibate and you are not leaving a family behind. That's probably one of the reasons St. Paul says it's best to be celibate--so that you have the freedom to make such sacrifices.

However, it's not quite fanciful escapism I'm thinking here...it's practical escapism! Wouldn't you agree that in ten to fifteen years, my children will be bombarded on all sides by an oppressive and Satanic culture?

When Herod was seeking to kill the newborn Messiah, Mary and Joseph took Jesus to Egypt. They fled, did they not?

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Are you looking for a place of extreme isolation where no one is ever likely to bother you or a quaint community of trad Catholic families?

I'm lookin' for a quaint community of trad Catholics. A culture. Right now, my wife and I are on a piece of driftwood in the ocean. We're surrounded by Protestants and atheists, and we have no Catholic friends nearby.

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For months, I've heard folks complaining about what a crappy place America is becoming. And, I buy it. For now, at least! I believe that next year will be a very hard year, economically, and I believe the culture of this nation is moving toward a form of communism and slavery that we cannot yet comprehend. Really. I know it sounds crazy. But I think our future is bleak.

I think that Satan really wants to take what was once the greatest nation in history, our Great Experiment that is America, and he wants to turn it into it's complete opposite in order to spite God and man.

It's not just the economy I have in mind. It's our culture. We are becoming a really scary culture of death! We will soon be killing our babies AND our elderly! And this is only the beginning! Radicals like that man in the White House hate America and want to transform it into an evil place. And worst of all, they have the largest military in the world to do it. To turn on us citizens.

And this is what most of us conservatives have been discussing since Teleprompter Jesus got elected.

Yet, now, there's plenty of ya arguing for me to stay, and not consider leaving America, that this place is still the best. At least, by moving to another country, I have some sort of expectation of what it will be like. With the State of America, we are having the rug pulled out from underneath us. But in another country, at least we would know it isn't perfect--AND WE WOULD KNOW THAT THEY DON'T HAVE AN ENORMOUS ARMY TO TAKE US OFF TO A CAMP, SHOULD SUCH A TERRIBLE DAY COME.

I just don't want my kids growing up and going to an Obama youth group or something. Ya know? It's headed that way. I thought we all agreed on at least that!

So, at this point, I'm confused!

I may put forth a simple forum question for everyone to answer, something that asks: Do you think America is going to remain a great place to live? or something like that!

Truly though, I'm grateful for everyone's input thus far

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right now, up in Conneticut, they're working on open public persecution of the Catholics up there. Already, the Church in California has stopped their adoption program, because they refuse to adopt kids out to gays. Little by little, a rope is being tightened around the Church here.

I ask you to consider the article by Douglas Kneibert: "Are the Dark Clouds of Persecution Beginning to Gather?" (found here: http://www.newoxfordreview.org/article.jsp?did=0709-kneibert) (Wish I could get you folks the full article here.)

Kneibert speaks about how up in Canada, religious are being fined by the government for speaking out against homosexuality. You people don't think that will happen here?

As long as we are comfortable with our materialistic lives, we will be continued to be lulled into this trap.

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veritatem_dilexisti :
Obama may be a minion of Satan's, but he is not, as far as I can tell, a communist. Let us not throw around such terms lightly.

I would argue that Obama is a communist, in spirit at the very least. Just look how he rushes to defend his thrown out communist dictator buddies.

We are splitting hairs here. Socialism, Nazism, Communism. Belloc argues very well that Communism is the be-all-end-all of the Zeitgeist that moves society toward this dark future. Socialism is Communist-lite. Nazism shares the spirit of Communism. Yes, the Nazis were the Socialist Party--but it had much in common with Communism, and if allowed to flourish, would probably have become a Communist state.

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Do you think that everyone should just stay where they are, and always be where they are, always "putting up the good fight?"

Then I ask you, why haven't [the Fisheaters] condemned the family of Jesus for fleeing Israel? Shouldn't they have just stayed put? If Jesus would be an early martyr, after all, then so be it, right?

And what about Lot and his family? Noah? Moses and the Jewish exodus out of Egypt? Clearly these people thought it a good idea to relocate.

I think that if I lived somewhere else in the world--say Malta, as a few of you suggested--I could probably help my growing children to avoid being saturated with cancerous masonic indifferent "values."

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[Did] our immigrant ancestors from Europe also had a divine locution to come to the New World?

Or, were they simply put out with their nations as we are becoming now?

Only this time, there is no New World to run to (unless we colonize Mars, which would be so cool).

Is not my attitude here the same attitude of folks back in those days wantin' to come over here to get away from their problems with their intolerant governments in Europe? Were they wrong for coming here? Am I wrong for wanting to do what they did?

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epalinurus :
Re the big point and the America bashing -- a lot of the arguments I hear from the America-attacking Americans around here are the same ones I have confronted on other sites -- except those debates were with anarchists -- "I don't hate the American people, just the ___________(fill in blank: government; system; culture; ideals; history; principles; founders; etc.). That I find a little a scary, because the anarchists are, frankly, at least a little insane.

I believe in American Exceptionalism, and I welcome everyone to believe in their own countries' exceptionalism, too, if they think it exists. It doesn't offend me if someone wants to argue in favor of Greek exceptionalism or British exceptionalism or Irish exceptionalism or Canadian exceptionalism or Italian exceptionalism (the most understandable, besides American exceptionalism). Most countries have their claim to greatness for something or another. I just think America's is particularly outstanding.

Look, for twelve years, up until around 2006 actually, I really liked America and what it stood for. But I just don't think this place is what it used to be. Just as England isn't what it used to be.

This isn't the United States of America. We are not united. We don't respect states here. And anything that was American values is gone and replaced with consumerism and lust. So, we are just the State now. "What country are you from, Laramie?" "Oh! I'm from the State!"

Other places, I believe, can and will fare better than the USA when the fodder hits the fan. Europe has been entrenched in their continent for thousands of years, and they are productive over there to some extent. America is a young nation, and our manufacturing base has been sold off. We can't do anything for ourselves anymore. I hate to quote Alex Jones, but America is becoming "the prison planet." We are quickly approaching new forms of slavery, but we just don't recognize it because the heat is being turned up slowly.

There are other places out there that will fare better than us. They might not be as colorful, tasty, loud, and outrageously fun as the US in all its glory, but those places are steady. We've seen a lot of good suggestions so far, and I think many of the places people have named off are considerable places to flee to, if one so chooses! Places that, hopefully, my kids won't be brainwashed at as they are here.

Seriously. Do you really think this nation has a safe and bright future? The powers that be wanna make a civilian military force to turn it into a police state. Obama said it himself--enthusiastically and loudly.

Stormclouds are on the horizon.

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I was being snide, as many think the modern period is so much better........they attack middle ages as some sort backward era.see some of my previous posts, I note the middle ages has great things,etc,etc....i do NOT think we are more enlightened at all, but some ehre and in genreal ahve that attitude.......I agree the First world is a mess, also if you look at past posts, I note good things about the 2ndfd and 3rd nations...also, how false these designations (1st,2nd,3rd) really are......

Absolutely, Belloc. The Middle Ages have many features about them that have been forgotten. In my view, they were probably a golden age for the Faith. I even have heard some Catholic scholars consider the Middle Ages as the prophecied 1000 year reign of peace that the Apocalypse referred to.

At this point, I wish to plug a book that I thought was incredible once I read it, and I used it many times in college. It is: Those Terrible Middle Ages: Debunking the Myths, by Regine Pernoud. (Check it out:

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watch the looks on these liberal faces on: August 04, 2009, 01:55:AM
Just watched the View skit...noticed how pathetically and predictably they tried to skewer and muddle Malkin's point. I'm watching Lauer now. He's doing the same.


When arguing with conservative thinkers, liberals do the following and usually in this order:

1. Change the topic. Perhaps apply the argument to the conservative's side. Thus, they now accuse the conservative side.
2. Challenge the conservative's sources. Or complain the conservative's argument is overblown.
3. Mock the conservative.
4. Walk off and don't stop talking in order to get the last word in.

Michelle Malkin's aggressiveness in these two interviews really prevents the liberals from doin' a lot of this. I like it. She's sharp.

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Manufactured Healthcare Crisis: The master plan becomes clearer by the day!
August 16, 2009

Suppose that I do stay in America to "fight the good fight," don't you realize how deep the roots of evil are in this country? Even Rupert Murdoch goes to Bilderburger meetings. Talk show hosts are clear hacks being used as pawns (save a few).

We are sheep. We are awaiting slaughter. We have more prisons than any other nation. Just guess where I'm thinking this could go.

Listen, I know how I sound. But ten years from now, maybe twenty, you'll see that I knew what was coming all along! Horrible things are gonna happen because the U.S. populace is completely dumb. And they will mock and destroy anyone that tries to improve things.

Remember that saying: The price for our freedom is blood? Well, Typical Americans are scared of that saying, and they do not want to live up to such expectations.

I'll finish with a quote from my friend:

"Oh, I think people understand what the price of freedom is. I think most Americans don't want real freedom because it's just too dicey.They'd rather have security."

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I still wanna flee US; Martial Law coming....
August 21, 2009

I still want out of America. Martial law is coming to us.


A lot of folks will joke, "Awe, we'll save up our ammunition and fight the government!" That's a quaint sentiment, but I think we need to grow up here. Do you really think people are prepared to confront police or ATF agents over an idea?

Scenario: We're required to take a swine flu vaccine. Anyone who doesn't is rounded up and put in camps in the name of quarantine.

How do we modern Americans deal with fascist martial law and camps when the time comes?

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Look some here have mil or have lived under martial law already. If u want to run then run. But don't mock those with something u lack. That's called courage. Stop saying ull leave and just do it then. But there is no honor in abandoning your nation when it needs you.

I'm not mocking anyone, Knuckles. Or, at least, I didn't mean to. Do you really think that we can fight the govs with bullets and willpower? I know we did it once before, but the balance of weaponry was a little more even than it is right now.

And although I do say "I still wanna flee the US," that's just an idea. The truth is, I have no idea what I'll do for me and the fam if our back is against the wall. You might be surprised! But, these discussion boards, I thought, are here for us to talk out our ideas. That's what we're doin' here!

Besides, I'm not talkin' about leaving the US in this thread. Instead, my question focuses on this: "How do we modern Americans deal with fascist martial law and camps when the time comes?"

So, I'll direct a more succinct question to you Knuckles. Suppose we take the "stay and fight" attitude toward this situation. What do we do? Bribe nurses to pretend to give us vaccines? Do we set up underground networks--and how? The internet will not be such a welcome place for communication if things keep up like this. Mail? Hand delivered mail?

Or how about CollegeCatholic's idea: "As to dealing with a fascist martial law and camps, if the time comes, I think going underground would be best. Don't be stupid, keep your head down, and work subversively like those under Communist Russia or Nazi Germany."

Will we be like Jews in Nazi Germany or something?

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I think that one important thing for us to do is to start learning about people who came here to escape from places like East Germany, the Eastern Block, Cuba, USSR, China, etc.

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I was recently reading a book called Catholic Martyrs in the Twentieth Century, and was blown away by how many nations had socialist revolutions in the 1900s, and how every one suppressed the Church, often with extreme violence. .....So maybe we won't get the martial law and oppression that so many other countries have, simply because it's not needed here. They can keep enacting their leftist programs, and as long as they don't push too fast, most people will thank them for it, and they can have their Glorious Revolution all nice and peaceful like. And many Catholics will be cheering them on, unfortunately.

Thanks for the book referral.

You must stand and fight and be ready to sacrifice using everything at your disposal and resist by all means necessary.......

Listen and read of one man's experience of such a scenario and the failure of the people to act to prevent the tyranny that eventually descended upon them;

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you'd be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. Or what about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur -- what if it had been driven off or its tires spiked. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"-Solzhenitsyn
Were/are the following people cowards for leaving their country when times were turning bad?  Some are:

Eastern Europeans
Eastern Germans
Health-care starved Canadians
Old World European immigrants to the United States

By the logic of some folk in this dialogue, these people should've duked it out with their oppresors.  What cowards to come to our shores to escape!  Turning away from their countries' problems like that!  Refugees should stay where they are and fight for their rights!

Are these people examples of cowards?
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Being the Bad Guy in a Video Game
August 21, 2009

Granted you are all adult gamers but as a parent I get really upset with kids' (sorry TIA) games that let preteens play on the dark side (as it were). I think that it does bad things to their character, not permanent, but it doesn't reinforce association with virtues which any parent would prefer to see instilled in their children.

I will climb off of my soapbox now.

Great response DarkKnight, just the kind of input I'm lookin' for.

You know, in this day and age, there isn't any good or evil anymore. Evil is merely seen as "good with complications." For example: "Vampires are not bad, and we don't kill people! We just nip a small incision on the shoulder and take a drink. Very refreshing." Or, perhaps I can remind ya'll about Harry Potter. The legitimization of evil.

In Warcraft, the us bad guys, the Horde, are a conglomeration of what humans consider "bad guys," but actually we're characters with particular problems. For example, the zombies are products of an evil king's experiments. The Orcs are descended from ancient shawmans, and they just feel persecuted for bein' ugly. The trolls are a displaced race of voodoo practicioners who have no home, and so are forced to join the Horde coalition. The Tauren (cow creatures) seem to be modeled after Native Americans, and they're really kind of New Age in their philosophy; I guess they're persecuted by the Alliance (the good guys' coalition) because they're big, hairy, and their new age ways are misunderstood. Then there's blood elves, but I don't know why they're "misunderstood."

So... as you can see, there's plenty of philosophy involved in the game.
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Average video gamer is 35, fat, and depressed
August 21, 2009

I'm married and havin' a kid.

My wife and I maintained our longdistance separation by playin' WoW over the internet. It was like we were doin' stuff together, in spite of our long distance.

Videogames are like alcohol--not bad or good. It has potential to be useful or potential to be harmful.

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Wow, there's a lot of gamers
August 22, 2009
I just like playin' games. When I can't find a good book to read, there's always plenty of the fantasy element in today's games.

Our fathers hooped and hollered about baseball and football while we were growin' up. I remember growing up, and my dad would be watching Hulk Hogan and the Hulkamaniacs on TV. Now, new things have come about for our generation, and games simply are one of em. They're fun to play.

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have you played any of these games?
August 23, 2009

I made sure that I played ALL Square games up until Final Fantasy 8. That installment seemed so pretensious and homosexual to me.

Shortly thereafter, I decided that Square sucked, and I moved on.

My favorite Final Fantasy is Final Fantasy II (American Version). I really thought it was cool to be able to take to a starship and go to the moon. I still might not mind playin' that one, perhaps years from now.

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Massive protest In DC
September 13, 2009
I came across some interesting text yesterday on a website about fatima and the errors of Russia:

Centuries later, when the battle was approaching a climax in Russia in 1917, this "woman" appeared on earth at Fatima to warn that "the errors of Russia" would overflow the whole world unless supernatural means were marshalled against them.

Of necessity the "errors of Russia" can be overcome only by supernatural force, because there are no natural means superior to them. Given the impairment of nature by original sin, there are no natural means which are even proportioned to these "errors". Certainly no material weapons can destroy Communism’s battlements, let alone shoot down its ideas. No political position can withstand it. No mere strategy can outwit it that is not rooted in grace.

The defeat of Communism will be effected by prayer and penance, in the name of Him who before His Passion said, "In the world you will have affliction. But take courage, I have overcome the world!" (John 16:33). It is not the dictatorship of the proletariat which is "inevitable," but the triumph of the Church!

If any of the above holds true, then it means nothing will be able to stop this spirit of Communism that Obama is instilling in America. Not town hall meetings, not marches, not resistance. I have a feeling that the Bolsheviks have this all planned out and expect resistance--and perhaps they think our resistance is tame compared to what they expected.

I am guessing that in the end, only God Himself will be able to fix this world by belittling Communism. I'm startin' to think that neither guns nor "revolution" of people will work against the Fabian Socialist Machine.

...though, I'd like to see us try to win, I'm unsure that the people can take the U.S. back.

I'll watch ever the more than ever before.

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Anyone ever see this Hannity Video b-4?
September 13, 2009

I never was big on Hannity. I always thought he was the stalest, flakiest link in the talk show circuit.

But now, after seein' this, my mind is made up. This video seals it.

Sean Hannity is truly a jerk, and a primadonna.

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Feast of The Holy Guardian Angels!
October 03, 2009

Yeah, this is my favorite feast day. Next to this is the celebration of the Archangel Michael. Why? Well...they are feast days for folks that aren't human! And that's fascinating to me.

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Anyone familiar with unitypublishing.com?
October 10, 2009

What do you all think of unitypublishing.com. I am certain a lot of you have heard of it, and perhaps gone to that website and utilized it for information. What do you think of Rick Salbott, who runs it? Legit? Flaky? Off base? On target? I'm curious of your thoughts.

I became interested in the Fisheaters' opinions about unitypublishing when I came across this blog: http://www.runboard.com/bmariantimes.f2.t3

On this blog, you have a bunch of people in support of Medjugorje arguing in support of the "apparitions" there, and some folks refer to unitypublishing as a bad website.

Inform me.

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Lord Christopher Monckton Lecture
October 26, 2009

I'm surprised that this man's lecture has yet to appear on fisheaters. The last 4 minutes of his lecture was the most unnerving in his speech at Michigan. Here's that final 4 minutes:


If you want to see the entire lecture, here is that link:


Basically, Lord Christopher Monckton (who was referred to once in fisheaters) discusses the fallacy of the Global Warming Hoax. But the last four minutes talks about how in December Obama will sign our country into a very destructive treaty with the UN that we can never back out of. It's the beginning of the end of our republic.

But oh yeah, some of you fellas would rather "fight the man" than consider relocation! Surely you'll succeed!

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Beatissima Mariae:

Not to say it can't happen in the future, but he'll be hard pressed getting it past the American people. Not when his presidency is tanking so badly right now, and signs of improving anytime soon.

Since when has Obama ever done what he said he would do? The imp lies through his teeth every day. He wants to sign it. He probably will when no one is noticing.

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Science, Nature, Technology, Wonders, Marvels, Curiosities, & Awe / Re: Water Discovered on Moon
November 15, 2009

There's a thin atmosphere on the moon too. Sometimes, very thin clouds. Something resembling our upper atmosphere. It's all neat stuff.

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Reid care will basically force abortions
November 21, 2009

In my mind, we Americans are going to get what they deserve from this.

The ignorant Left in this country is embracing madness with open arms because they can't see beyond five minutes.

And the Right is allowing this to happen due to our complacency when it comes to educating the others. (But then again, a conservative person just isn't a revolutionary type of person.) It also didn't help that the Right abandoned Republican senators in 2006 and failed to show up to vote for McCain. Not that I like McCain or RINO Republicans, but I think they'd prevent this from happening.

If the communists ram this bill through today, all is lost and I need to find another career fast because I'm in the health field, and it's likely my wages will decrease significantly.

Funny thing is, even if we survive today, we still get to be on edge in December when we wait to see if our Pimp-in-Chief signs us over to the communist powers of the UN at Copenhagen. (Any of you see that ridiculous commercial supporting that meeting? hopenhagen.com? The world is stupid.)

Today, I am a pessimist. I have no faith in people.

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I guess, for the sake of staying on topic here, I'll just say that concerning the abortion funding in this new healthcare bill--so what? So what if we are funding abortion in this bill? Are we not funding other forms of murder in who knows how many bills passed over the last fifty years? How many black ops projects, mercenary hits, sleaze funds, and things of that nature could we be funding already?

In fact, we already fund abortion internationally already. Obama made sure international abortion funding was restarted the moment his poisonous shadow shaded the White House.

This added abortion funding is just another addition to what is already a pile of evil our government is involved in.

Will you continue to pay taxes? Yes you will, because you are weak.

-Today's Pessimist

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So...Healthcare is passing today.
November 21, 2009

Well folks, healthcare debate is proceeding in favor for the Democrats as I type this. Thoughts?

You know, as a healthcare worker here at a hospital this weekend, it sure is notable how much my co-workers AREN'T discussing the healthcare issue amongst each other. Even though it will directly affect all of our jobs.

Gratz, Left. You got your way again. And again. And again.

The Right will never have power in this country again. Our voices no longer matter. So please take off that stupid ribbon you've been wearing to comemmorate whatever it is. No one ever cared! No matter how "concerned" and proactive we get, no matter how much talk radio we listen to, and no matter how many books we read, we cannot beat them. So, I'm just oh-so-sorry all you folks out there who thought you could "put up the good fight." But it just wasn't enough.

We lose.

My understanding is that the House and the Senate have voted on 2 different health care bills. Now that the Senate has passed theirs, the in-fighting must begin. It is not until the House and the Senate have reconciled the two that the final bill can be passed along to the president. Or am I wrong?

True. Two different bills. But this is all going in favor for the Democrats. I would much have preferred if the debate was halted. Why are we debating this bill? It is a bad bill that should be forgotten.

The bill hasn't passed yet. They will still have to survive a cloture vote, and that is far more problematic. This is just a motion to proceed with the debate. It is unfortunate that it has passed this hurdle, but there is at least one more shot at derailing this.

I wish people had paid more attention in Civics.

This is simply the first reading. It has miles to go before it's receives its final reading.

Yes, but again, the bill should not have been allowed to go this far. The healthcare "debate" is proceeding in favor for the Democrats.

Are things getting better or worse in the Church?
December 26, 2009

I am unable to attend my SSPX Church so I dont have the TLM to relieve my fear. I dunno. Maybe I am just an ekklesial hypochondriac.

Could be worse. You could be like me.

-No Catholic friends anywhere near my age living within 100 miles
-working 16-hour shifts on the weekends, thus unable to fulfill a steady Sunday obligaion, and forced to go to Mass on a weekday
-most parishes in the city are NO, save one which holds Mass on Sundays
-the parishes you can go to are usually run by priests who are seemingly indifferent to tradition and the conditions of souls
-no one in your family is Catholic, and they support you in no way whatsoever

Try holding your faith in this environment

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Was Jesus wealthy?
December 26, 2009

So, CNN asks the question "Was Jesus Wealthy?"

How cute. I just love how the godless people of this world ask questions and insult you at the same time. Happened to me at work just the other day.

CNN is filled with worms.

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Christmas is insulting these days
December 26, 2009

After having just read a post discussing NIFs (Nice internal feelings), I was reminded of how Christmas was yesterday and all month.

Honestly, the "thing" that Christmas has become is insulting to me. All these Christmas songs on the radio, the shopping, the Christmas recipes...it's all one screaming insult to me anymore.

Just one big ginned up sentimentality parade with a big teethy smile. As if Satan has taken you most treasured thing and molested it.

And the more commercialized it all becomes, the more my disdain grows for it.

In a horrible hypothetical future scenarion some day, I can envision people celebrating at this time of year, and Christ will have been completely removed--utterly--and people will simply feel obligated to fulfill the holiday activities because they will simply have done this all their lives. And the holiday will have utterly no meaning for them. Just a strange repititious going-through-the-motions month. And every time they turn on the radio and hear the holiday sales commercials, they will be filled with disgust because the commercials and culture will be celebrating....nothing.

Wait a minute, that's happening now.

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What will a Marxist America look like?
December 26, 2009

I was just thinking today that the thing that drives Marxists isn't necessarily their idea of a Marxist Utopia, as it is their pleasure of wiping out all traces of U.S. Capitalism and all traces of God from the Earth. Of course, all us good Catholics can recognize this satanic zeitgest among the Marxists as pure evil and possibly an extreme and wide-ranging form of diabolical possession. (At least, I think so.)

God manifests Himself in our creations, inventions, and imaginations. Everything from fairytales and music to computer software, aluminum siding, and even weaponry. Exellence in craftsmanship is a trait straight from God.

If Marxism seeks to delete God from us, and America becomes such a place, I wonder what our country will resemble. Will Hollywood still put out filthy movies? Will radio stations contiune to pump out new songs? Will there be any technical innovations? Will innovation be allowed under Satan--I mean Marxism.

(I suppose I could ask a side question. Did the Soviet Union or Cambodia come up with anything nice that we use today? Does Venezuela have anything new out?)

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Where will healthcare workers go?
December 27, 2009

Okay, so Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have done what FDR could not, and passed socialized medicine this Christmas Eve when no one was looking (hoping that no one would notice or remember come election day).

This will lower doctor wages, decrease the incentive for doctors to work, cause a cost-cut throughout the medical world, and ultimately lower the wages of everyone in the medical profession.

I take x-rays. In the U.S. state of Oklahoma, I make about $18 an hour, which is not bad for my town. Makes me just about middle class here. However, with this new healthcare bill, I expect the following to occur:

-patient load will double (due to people milking the system)
-staff will be halved
-pay will be cut

I expect these changes to occurr in about 5 years, though if the Marxists speed it up, I'd say about 2 years until my career is destroyed by Obamacare.

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Rome and Moscow talks: the defense of Christian tradition in Europe and world
December 27, 2009

Rome-Moscow Relations Begin New Era
Orthodox Archbishop Offers to Help Europe Fight Secularism...

This is exactly what we need. We need people who've dealt with communism and state-sponsored evil, who have survived it and maintained their faith. I've always thought that what a believer needs to survive is testimony and advice from people who come from oppressive backgrounds. That will be the key to our survival.

I hope more comes from these talks. If only there were a network of people to contact who would like to talk to us Americans.

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Vetus Ordo:
The only solution for Russia and the world is the Truth and nothing but the Truth. Ecumenism, petty talks and human endeavors amount to nothing. Let the Pope and the bishops consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, as Our Lady requested herself, and God will be our helper and our unbreakable stronghold against the tides of secularism and atheism.

Amount to nothing? These very talks and this growing relationship may actually lead to the eventual consecration we've been waiting for.

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Vetus Ordo:
These talks are nothing but ecumenical talks that lead to nowhere, unless we're talking about loss of faith. Just look at who's responsible for this travesty: Card. Kasper! Need I say more? Unless Russia is consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary like Our Lady requested, it doesn't matter how much spineless bargaining the Vatican ecumaniacs do, nor how much "good will" the schismatic Patriarchate of Moscow has towards the Catholic Church: it's all human folly that amounts to nothing and achieves nothing.

Then continue to be upset about the neglected Fatima request.

And when things get very hard under fascist rulers, and you're looking for a way to deal with a culture and society that are outright persecuting you, please do not turn to examples of survival from Russian believers or the clergy of the Orthodox Church.

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Vetus Ordo:
I could care less about what you pompously call the "believers of the Orthodox Church". They have been a schismatic church for centuries, defiant of the Pope and of Our Lord. A church that recently happened to go under government control during the soviet period, nothing more. If you want examples of martyrdom in Russia, look for the catholics, harshly persecuted by both the "orthodox" church and the soviet government.

The so-called "orthodox" church is not an example of martyrdom or faith but an example of iniquity and subservience to worldly power.

Don't worry, here in Europe we've been under fascist, communist, socialist and atheist rulers for a long time and we're still holding fast to the Faith and the Church, even if our numbers are low. We don't need examples of schismatics to succeed, only the examples of the Saints.

Pompous? Well, I guess I am a little arrogant. I eat babies, after all.

Maybe I need to humble myself like you, and close my mind to this whole idea. We don't need no collusion with the likes of those evil Orthodox people. We're fine on our own!

Vetus Ordo:
Obviously, you shouldn't be taken seriously.

Neither you, nor the Vatican II Church and these ecumenical "talks".

Okay, you are truly a pompous individual.

I actually was interested in your European Catholic experience. And I disagree with you that we cannot learn anything from Christian Russians.

Now you may retort with your snot.
(I actually was interested in your European Catholic experience.)

Vetus Ordo:
Your tone belied your intentions.

I live in Portugal, a once glorious catholic empire that spread the Holy Gospel to the depths of Africa, America and Asia, now a impoverished country prey to materialism, atheism and socialism. The PEC (Portuguese Episcopal Conference) is a vipers nest, shattered by modernism and disobedience to Rome. Portuguese society is completely materialistic and the public Catholicism we can witness is just a cultural phenomenon, a superficial vestige from the past. Popular piety is still present, especially in the pilgrimages to Fatima and in the countryside, but the doctrine is scorned even by the clergymen.

My "European Catholic experience" is devastating in human terms. However, I take comfort in the promises of Our Lord and in the courageous apostolate of the SSPX.

I disagree with you that we cannot learn anything from Christian Russians.

Vetus Ordo:
There's nothing to learn from heretics and schismatics.

We won't learn to fight the enemies of the Church by taking inspiration from those same enemies we wish to defeat. To say we can learn to fight secularism by the example of the "orthodox" would be the same thing as saying we can learn to fight atheism by the example of the Anglicans, Jews, Masons or Muslims.

Portugal... A long time ago, I was interested in one day trying to relocate there. But later, I learned that the system was corrupted by Masons. Still, I bet the pilgrimage sites are nice.

I'm curious about the details of being Catholic there. For example, do you have many friends who are Catholic? Or are Catholics in isolate pockets separated from each other by long distances? Is a Mass there sincere? Or is it like listening someone read from a church bulletin? What are the priests like; what is the ratio of wholesome priests to liberal priests?

As for the Russian Orthodox, are you not excited from the words from the article: "Archbishop Hilarion does not exclude disobedience against unjust laws"? And surely not all Russian Orthodox are schismatic haters. I used to be a Baptist. Not all Baptists are complete jerks devoid of all virtue. There are plenty who are still finding their way to the Church, stuck in a misguided denomination, who share my battle against secularism. Don't the Russian Orthodox also battle against that secularism, same as we?

All my catholic friends go to the same SSPX chapel as I do and we're not many. There are some exceptions - I have one or two friends who go to the Novus Ordo Chuch - but they are very few. All the other friends I have, tragically, are agnostics and atheists.

Nominally, more than 90% of the population is still catholic but those numbers are misleading. People still get baptized when they're born (although even that is changing now) but they grow up to be atheists or agnostics. The society is completely secularized and the public education controlled by Masonry is widely responsible for this phenomenon. The Church has been in self-destruction since the days of the Council and offers no adequate response to the rise of secularism, naturalism and other religions. It's a sad spectacle indeed, especially when we consider how catholic this country was up until the 1960's.

The Portuguese Church is controlled by a vast majority of modernist bishops and priests. TheNovus Ordo mass in all its perverse variations is what you get when you attend any Portuguese church or chapel. The motu proprio Summorum Pontificum was completely ignored by the bishops. The hatred of Tradition is great among the hierarchy, a hierarchy that I suspect that was infiltrated at key points in history by Masonry. The only traditional residue is to be found in the SSPX apostolate.

The ratio of liberal vs. conservative priests must be around 80% to 20%. As for traditional priests, they're just those of the SSPX and some others who occasionally work with them.
You missed the point. The "orthodox" church, as well as some protestants churches and some muslims, all these people may battle against secularism. So what? They're all enemies of the Church. The point I'm making is that the defender and mistress of Truth is the Holy Roman Church ALONE and we can only resort to her and to Our Lord in order to fight and drive away the enemy, whether it's a human one or the Devil himself.

"Our help is in the name of the Lord who made Heaven and Earth", not in spineless ecumenical agreements.

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Novena to the "Holy Family" starts Jan.1st.
January 02, 2010

A family prayer we have:
Dear and mighty Lord everlasting, You who created the world and made our lives possible, I pray to You now to thank You for all the good things my family has had. Your grace has been with us--and we never forget you. Because of You, Father, we have always had food and always had shelter. We have had good lives, all thanks to Your good works, and we shall not take this for granted.

We shall ever strive to keep you in our hearts, Lord, and we beg You to keep us in Yours. Please do not forget us and abandon us to the darkness. Please shelter us from the evil one and every twisted design he has crafted for us. Keep us aware of Your goodness, and protect us from our iniquity. Save us from evil, and save us from our own sins, Father. Forgive us of the crimes we have committed against You, and please help us cleanse any wickedness that remain in our hearts.

Please help us, Father, to repent every day, until our end in this world. For we all desire nothing more than to be with You--all of this family together one day in Heaven. To one day live beside Your majesty in Heaven is our hope and dream.

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Converted Catholics........
January 02, 2010
I converted into the Church when the priest molestation scandal was at its height in 2001. That alone caused many to wonder what in the world I was doing with my life. I was 21.

Before, I was a Bible-thumping Baptist. I understood apologetics and all that, and even tried converting people with all the usual techniques that a fundamentalist tries to use. (Such techniques never worked.)

My grandparents were always proud of me, and Grandma even hoped that I'd become a preacher. Dad was proud of me. Mom was proud of me. I even had friends who were fellow Protestant Christians who I was usually in agreement with on things.

Then, I converted. The entire family had no idea why. My Dad was secretly happy because he was a lapsed Catholic who'd return to the Church before he died. But mostly, everyone hated my decision. Especially my friends.

Now, I am estranged from my Mom, sister, grandparents (they're still alive), and there is always an uncomfortable silence between my Protestant friends and I. I remember asking one buddy: "Do you want to know why I converted?" He said "no."

As a fellow leaning toward the TLM movement who lives in a NO city, I have really had a difficult time making any kind of friendships with other Catholics. For the most part, my family is isolated from anyone else who is in the Catholic Faith, and most of the time we feel alone in our spiritual struggle.

I've read on other posts about other fisheaters who want to live in Catholic communities (I may have even posted such a subject once or twice). Quite often, I see sarcastic replies such as: "Well, why do you want to live with other Catholics? Sounds like you want a cloister." or "Aren't we supposed to be the salt of the earth?"

I can totally empathize with folks trying to find other Catholics. As for those kinds of replies, they strike me as very sarcastic, snotty, and unsympathetic.

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Unlocking this subform: READ THIS
January 10, 2010
Smugness about other groups has been a sign to me of arrogance. It's important to fight the temptation of being smug about folks.

After all, every day at my godless job, I deal with people who are smug all the time about how "villianous and corrupt the Church is." I'm on the receiving end a lot.

Reaction? Such folks make me just wanna punch them in the face. Instant carnal reaction.

Smugness is bad.

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Our Bronze Serpents must be destroyed.
January 10, 2010

I was reminded of the story from Numbers 21, where God had Moses fashion a bronze serpent so that any snake-bitten Israelites who looked upon it would not die of snake poison. Moses would hold it up, a Jewish person would look at it if he were bitten by a poisonous snake, and he'd live. One of God's many gifts to the Israelites.

The bronze serpent at that time had become a triumphant symbol for the Israelites. It showed God's triumph against his old enemy, the Serpent, and it was a triumph against the pagan idolatry of its time, for there were many in those days who would worship other gods and deities. God had conquered His old enemy, and to show everyone this, the serpent was used as a sign of His victory.

Later, of course, the Jews began to worship the bronze serpent staff. And so, it was destroyed. What had once been a sign of God's victory was transformed into an occultic deviation from His glory. It was considered a sort of deity, and people burned incense to it. They named it Nehushtan.

God fearing Hezekiah would not have such nonsense, and acting as the king that he was, king Hezekiah had the high places torn down, and the bronze serpent destroyed.

Now....we have our own bronze serpents. In the past, the Church has absorbed other cultures and their pagan symbols, holding them up in a tradition that mimicks what the Israelites did with the bronze serpent. I am talking about Christmas (though, there are plenty of other examples). The Church conquered barbarian Europe, and transformed their winter rituals into seasonal celebrations of Christ.

But those same Christmas traditions are becoming the object of worship. They are the bronze snake, receiving the incense. Think of the conventional Christmas images that were once pagan, and you will understand what this means. The first thing that comes to my mind is Christmas trees.

In an earlier post, fisheaters were suggesting different ways of adoring Christ in their Christmas traditions. I believe this is the way to go for Catholics who want to hold onto what's true when it comes to Christ's birth.

Herr_Mannelig :
It isn't a Bronze Serpent if other people are doing it. It must be worshiped by the Faithful. What exactly are the Faithful doing wrong?

Are we Catholics not trapped in the same cycle of Christmas ritual that our secular cohorts are trapped in? The shopping? The fake sentimentality? The cheery music that doesn't mean anything anymore?

Hasn't the worship of Christmas consumerism swept over us Catholics, too?
Busted! Pope Benedict to Schönborn: Be careful about Medjugorje on: January 16, 2010, 07:31:PM

Yeah, what's up with the guy at Spirit Daily? Hasn't he heard any of the things that we already know about Medjugorje? Has anyone ever confronted those folks at Spirit Daily? What is wrong with them? Are they too enamoured at the possibility of a miracle to be able to see truth?

Also, anyone know what happened to unitypublishing.com? I loved checking in there from time to time.
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Pat Robertson kicks Haiti when it's down
January 16, 2010

HEADLINE: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'...

In nomine Patri:
But as whatever the case may be RE: P Robertson, a visionary, seer, from Kibeho, Rwanda, who BTW was approved by the local bishop, in a formal proclamation in 2001, Valentine Nyiramukiza, and as the bishop said, has indeed been gifted by appearances of the Blessed Mother, and Jesus, Said Jesus told her about Haiti that there would be all kinds of trouble and the weather would be troubled, everything will be mixed up, there would be trouble among people, right would seem wrong and wrong would seem right. That these things would be a sign(s) of a looming event.

Asked about Haiti this week she said and if this is one of those signs she said she could only wait for God to confirm that.

She is appearing at Walsh Universioty in Ohio this weekend. She has been recieving these messages for a long time, since 1981 and has said the BVM told her the world is in a bad state and we need to pray from the heart. She also said the BVM said we dont forgive, pride has taken over hearts, and we dont have the hearts to be true to God. There is no reconcilation because of pride in the heart and people are becomming their own god.

The local bishop says there is more reason to believe these than to deny them, and this statement comes from the "declaration on the definitive judgement on the apparations of Kibeho" published by the Vatican.

Maybe PR is onto something after all. Remember, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while.

Has anyone else heard of Valentine Nyiramukiza? I have heard of the Rwandan apparitions, but I haven't reached a conclusive opinion of whether or not to believe it was true. Anyone else have more information?

If only good ol' trusty Rick Salbot was still doing unitypublishing. I used to check his website all the time.
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Recycling Zealots only produce a single trash can of Rubbish a year
January 27, 2010


I don't believe it for one second but it is more media spin to show the rest of us how "selfish" we are for living normally and having more than 1 child and not being Gaia worshipping wackos. I monitor this stuff carefully because I've seen an uptick over the last few years in the UK for harder population control measures coming out from the fringe and into the mainstream.


"control measures..." Yeah, this thread of thinking freaks me out, because I can clearly recognize it for what it is. The thinking of many globalists and "Gaia worshipping wackos" is the same style of thinking that Marx, Hitler, Stalin, and Mao thought. I fear it's only a matter of time before some nutjob with this mindset gets back into power (as it was in early 20th century), and before you know it, you have some sort of holocaust again. And, of course, it will be legitimized by everything we watch, and all our friends and coworkers. Just as those German villages and towns pretended that there wasn't a concentration camp next to them.
Of course it will. Satan is in charge and he wants us dead?

The NWO want a population of 1billion and capped at that. They'll do whatever they need to do unless God steps in.
You know, I hate to say it, but I really think that these jerks will partially succeed at their goals. I've considered the fact that in the Apocalypse, during the first few seals (can't corroborate, I'm at work), 1/3rd of the people on earth die from wars, persecutions, and famines. Who's to say this stuff isn't planned or caused by men? Perhaps God will allow this 1/3rd of men to die under the hands of globalist conspirators.

Then, of course, comes the second 1/3rd of men who die in the Conflagration--what we Catholics have growingly recognized as the Three Days of Darkness. Isn't it true that devils will be present in the air during this time? The Conflagration is the sixth seal of the Apocalypse.

After that, a third of the people on the world is left to deal with the Antichrist during that time period.

So, essentially, Mankind is reduced by 2/3rds anyway--first by men (and perhaps natural disasters) and then by God's Conflagration.

I just hope that God will destroy these evil cospiratorial people in the midst the Apocalypse. But, ggreg, I doubt God will step in to destroy them before that.

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Will there ever again be Tolkien/Lewis-styled fantasy?
January 30, 2010

was wondering lately, shall there ever again be fantasy as Christian and as inspiring and as widely acknowledged as Tolkien's work or C.S. Lewis' fantasy fiction?

I think not, and for several reasons.

-Modern people such as ourselves lack the ability to think as those men did.

-Major publishing companies will not publish anything with Christian under/overtones. Tolkien and Lewis wrote their fantasy, sneaking Christianity into their work, so to speak. What is done is done, and the secular evil publishers and social commentators of this world cannot reverse their influence. But certainly, bad publishers and the like will not allow another Christian writer like those two slip by again.

-Everyone has fallen for the Harry Potter trap, and thus they have new anti-Christian expectations for their fiction.

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Why Propaganda Trumps Truth
February 13, 2010

Why Propaganda Trumps Truth
By Paul Craig Roberts


September 15, 2009 "Information Clearing House" -- -An article in the journal, Sociological Inquiry, casts light on the effectiveness of propaganda. Researchers examined why big lies succeed where little lies fail. Governments can get away with mass deceptions, but politicians cannot get away with sexual affairs.

The researchers explain why so many Americans still believe that Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11, years after it has become obvious that Iraq had nothing to do with the event. Americans developed elaborate rationalizations based on Bush administration propaganda that alleged Iraqi involvement and became deeply attached to their beliefs. Their emotional involvement became wrapped up in their personal identity and sense of morality. They looked for information that supported their beliefs and avoided information that challenged them, regardless of the facts of the matter.

In Mein Kampf, Hitler explained the believability of the Big Lie as compared to the small lie: "In the simplicity of their minds, people more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have such impudence. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and continue to think that there may be some other explanation."

What the sociologists and Hitler are telling us is that by the time facts become clear, people are emotionally wedded to the beliefs planted by the propaganda and find it a wrenching experience to free themselves. It is more comfortable, instead, to denounce the truth-tellers than the liars whom the truth-tellers expose.

The psychology of belief retention even when those beliefs are wrong is a pillar of social cohesion and stability. It explains why, once change is effected, even revolutionary governments become conservative. The downside of belief retention is its prevention of the recognition of facts. Belief retention in the Soviet Union made the system unable to adjust to economic reality, and the Soviet Union collapsed. Today in the United States millions find it easier to chant "USA, USA, USA" than to accept facts that indicate the need for change.

The staying power of the Big Lie is the barrier through which the 9/11 Truth Movement is finding it difficult to break. The assertion that the 9/11 Truth Movement consists of conspiracy theorists and crackpots is obviously untrue. The leaders of the movement are highly qualified professionals, such as demolition experts, physicists, structural architects, engineers, pilots, and former high officials in the government. Unlike their critics parroting the government’s line, they know what they are talking about.

Here is a link to a presentation by the architect, Richard Gage, to a Canadian university audience: http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13242 The video of the presentation is two hours long and seems to have been edited to shorten it down to two hours. Gage is low-key, but not a dazzling personality or a very articulate presenter. Perhaps that is because he is speaking to a university audience and takes for granted their familiarity with terms and concepts.

Those who believe the official 9/11 story and dismiss skeptics as kooks can test the validity of the sociologists’ findings and Hitler’s observation by watching the video and experiencing their reaction to evidence that challenges their beliefs. Are you able to watch the presentation without scoffing at someone who knows far more about it than you do? What is your response when you find that you cannot defend your beliefs against the evidence presented? Scoff some more? Become enraged?

Another problem that the 9/11 Truth Movement faces is that few people have the education to follow the technical and scientific aspects. The side that they believe tells them one thing; the side that they don’t believe tells them another. Most Americans have no basis to judge the relative merits of the arguments.

For example, consider the case of the Lockerbie bomber. One piece of "evidence" that was used to convict Magrahi was a piece of circuit board from a device that allegedly contained the Semtex that exploded the airliner. None of the people, who have very firm beliefs in Magrahi’s and Libya’s guilt and in the offense of the Scottish authorities in releasing Magrahi on allegedly humanitarian grounds, know that circuit boards of those days have very low combustion temperatures and go up in flames easily. Semtex produces very high temperatures. There would be nothing whatsoever left of a device that contained Semtex. It is obvious to an expert that the piece of circuit board was planted after the event.

I have asked on several occasions and have never had an answer, which does not mean that there isn’t one, how millions of pieces of unburnt, uncharred paper can be floating over lower Manhatten from the destruction of the WTC towers when the official explanation of the destruction is fires so hot and evenly distributed that they caused the massive steel structures to weaken and fail simultaneously so that the buildings fell in free fall time just as they would if they had been brought down by controlled demolition.

What is the explanation of fires so hot that steel fails but paper does not combust?

People don’t even notice the contradictions. Recently, an international team of scientists, who studied for 18 months dust samples produced by the twin towers’ destruction collected from three separate sources, reported their finding of nano-thermite in the dust. The US government had scientists dependent on the US government to debunk the finding on the grounds that the authenticity of custody of the samples could not be verified. In other words, someone had tampered with the samples and added the nano-thermite. This is all it took to discredit the finding, despite the obvious fact that access to thermite is strictly controlled and NO ONE except the US military and possibly Israel has access to nano-thermite.

The physicist, Steven Jones, has produced overwhelming evidence that explosives were used to bring down the buildings. His evidence is not engaged, examined, tested, and refuted. It is simply ignored.

Dr. Jones’ experience reminds me of that of my Oxford professor, the distinguished physical chemist and philosopher, Michael Polanyi. Polanyi was one of the 20th centuries great scientists. At one time every section chairman of the Royal Society was a Polanyi student. Many of his students won Nobel Prizes for their scientific work, such as Eugene Wigner at Princeton and Melvin Calvin at UC, Berkeley, and his son, John Polanyi, at the University of Toronto.

As a young man in the early years of the 20th century, Michael Polanyi discovered the explanation for chemical absorbtion. Scientific authority found the new theory too much of a challenge to existing beliefs and dismissed it. Even when Polanyi was one of the UK’s ranking scientists, he was unable to teach his theory. One half-century later his discovery was re-discovered by scientists at UC, Berkeley. The discovery was hailed, but then older scientists said that it was "Polanyi’s old error." It turned out not to be an error. Polanyi was asked to address scientists on this half-century failure of science to recognize the truth. How had science, which is based on examining the evidence, gone so wrong. Polanyi’s answer was that science is a belief system just like everything else, and that his theory was outside the belief system.

That is what we observe all around us, not just about the perfidy of Muslims and 9/11.

As an economics scholar I had a very difficult time making my points about the Soviet economy, about Karl Marx’s theories, and about the supply-side impact of fiscal policy. Today I experience readers who become enraged just because I report on someone else’s work that is outside their belief system. Some readers think I should suppress work that is inconsistent with their beliefs and drive the author of the work into the ground. These readers never have any comprehension of the subject. They are simply emotionally offended.

What I find puzzling is the people I know who do not believe a word the government says about anything except 9/11. For reasons that escape me, they believe that the government that lies to them about everything else tells them the truth about 9/11. How can this be, I ask them. Did the government slip up once and tell the truth? My question does not cause them to rethink their belief in the government’s 9/11 story. Instead, they get angry with me for doubting their intelligence or their integrity or some such hallowed trait.

The problem faced by truth is the emotional needs of people. With 9/11 many Americans feel that they must believe their government so that they don’t feel like they are being unsupportive or unpatriotic, and they are very fearful of being called "terrorist sympathizers." Others on the left-wing have emotional needs to believe that peoples oppressed by the US have delivered "blowbacks." Some leftists think that America deserves these blowbacks and thus believe the government’s propaganda that Muslims attacked the US.

Naive people think that if the US government’s explanation of 9/11 was wrong, physicists and engineers would all speak up. Some have (see above). However, for most physicists and engineers this would be an act of suicide. Physicists owe their careers to government grants, and their departments are critically dependent on government funding. A physicist who speaks up essentially ends his university career. If he is a tenured professor, to appease Washington the university would buy out his tenure as BYU did in the case of the outspoken Steven Jones.

An engineering firm that spoke out would never again be awarded a government contract. In addition, its patriotic, flag-waving customers would regard the firm as a terrorist apologist and cease to do business with it.

In New York today there is an enormous push by 9/11 families for a real and independent investigation of the 9/11 events. Tens of thousands of New Yorkers have provided the necessary signatures on petitions that require the state to put the proposal for an independent commission up to vote. However, the state, so far, is not obeying the law.

Why are the tens of thousands of New Yorkers who are demanding a real investigation dismissed as conspiracy theorists? The 9/11 skeptics know far more about the events of that day than do the uninformed people who call them names. Most of the people I know who are content with the government’s official explanation have never examined the evidence. Yet, these no-nothings shout down those who have studied the matter closely.

There are, of course, some kooks. I have often wondered if these kooks are intentionally ridiculous in order to discredit knowledgeable skeptics.

Another problem that the 9/11 Truth Movement faces is that their natural allies, those who oppose the Bush/Obama wars and the internet sites that the antiwar movement maintains, are fearful of being branded traitorous and anti-American. It is hard enough to oppose a war against those the US government has successfully demonized. Antiwar sites believe that if they permit 9/11 to be questioned, it would brand them as "terrorist sympathizers" and discredit their opposition to the war. An exception is Information Clearing House.

Antiwar sites do not realize that, by accepting the 9/11 explanation, they have undermined their own opposition to the war. Once you accept that Muslim terrorists did it, it is difficult to oppose punishing them for the event. In recent months, important antiwar sites, such as antiwar.com, have had difficulty with their fundraising, with their fundraising campaigns going on far longer than previously. They do not understand that if you grant the government its premise for war, it is impossible to oppose the war.

As far as I can tell, most Americans have far greater confidence in the government than they do in the truth. During the Great Depression the liberals with their New Deal succeeded in teaching Americans to trust the government as their protector. This took with the left and the right. Neither end of the political spectrum is capable of fundamental questioning of the government. This explains the ease with which our government routinely deceives the people.

Democracy is based on the assumption that people are rational beings who factually examine arguments and are not easily manipulated. Studies are not finding this to be the case. In my own experience in scholarship, public policy, and journalism, I have learned that everyone from professors to high school dropouts has difficulty with facts and analyses that do not fit with what they already believe. The notion that "we are not afraid to follow the truth wherever it may lead" is an extremely romantic and idealistic notion. I have seldom experienced open minds even in academic discourse or in the highest levels of government. Among the public at large, the ability to follow the truth wherever it may lead is almost non-existent.

The US government's response to 9/11, regardless of who is responsible, has altered our country forever. Our civil liberties will never again be as safe as they were. America's financial capability and living standards are forever lower. Our country's prestige and world leadership are forever damaged. The first decade of the 21st century has been squandered in pointless wars, and it appears the second decade will also be squandered in the same pointless and bankrupting pursuit.

The most disturbing fact of all remains: The 9/11 event responsible for these adverse happenings has not been investigated.

Good article.

In the last month, after glancing at some of the facts posted by the Truthers, I believe I can say that they are more hit than miss. I think that there's something to what the Truthers have to say.

It disgusts me how people just outright dismiss any evidence a Truther will bring forth when that dismisser doesn't have a clue what the facts are.

I feel like I'm in Nazi Germany, and my countrymen are complacent and/or hyped up about the lies they're fed. The way people engorge themselves on deceit is very disturbing to me.

Wish I could turn to some priests for comfort. But unfortunately, a lot of them are struggling to rub elbows with politicians or are falling over themselves to be important, or maybe get into the next issue of our brand new glitzy superficial diocese "magazine."

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It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
February 13, 2010

Funny show. Wife and I laugh real hard at almost every episode.
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Do we wear ashes all day?
February 17, 2010

On Ash Wednesday, to be honest, I usually wipe off the ashes if I'm going out into public. Perhaps it is some of my old protestantism coming out or something. I heard on the radio today Neal Boortz refer to wearing ashes on the head as a form of "moral exibitionism" (but then again, he was refering to Joe Biden).

But other people wear them all day.

For the ten years I've been Catholic, I always figured people were kind of being showy or something. "Look at me. I'm wearing ashes! I'm a Catholic!" And also, there's always a homily given during Ash Wednesday in which it is discussed that people should not be showy in their prayers and fasts. So, it only made sense to me to wipe off my ashes.

But then, I found this interesting passage from the ninth chapter of Ezekiel, and I think I could be wrong about how I handle Ash Wednesday. Any thoughts, folks?

1 Then he cried loud for me to hear: Come, you scourges of the city!
2 With that I saw six men coming from the direction of the upper gate which faces the north, each with a destroying weapon in his hand. In their midst was a man dressed in linen, with a writer's case at his waist. They entered and stood beside the bronze altar.
3 Then he called to the man dressed in linen with the writer's case at his waist,
4 1 saying to him: Pass through the city (through Jerusalem) and mark an X on the foreheads of those who moan and groan over all the abominations that are practiced within it.
5 To the others I heard him say: Pass through the city after him and strike! Do not look on them with pity nor show any mercy!
6 Old men, youths and maidens, women and children--wipe them out! But do not touch any marked with the X; begin at my sanctuary. So they began with the men (the elders) who were in front of the temple.
7 Defile the temple, he said to them, and fill the courts with the slain; then go out and strike in the city.
8 As they began to strike, I was left alone. I fell prone, crying out, Alas, Lord GOD! Will you destroy all that is left of Israel when you pour out your fury on Jerusalem?"
9 He answered me: The sins of the house of Israel are great beyond measure; the land is filled with bloodshed, the city with lawlessness. They think that the LORD has forsaken the land, that he does not see them.
10 I, however, will not look upon them with pity, nor show any mercy. I will bring down their conduct upon their heads.
11 Then I saw the man dressed in linen with the writing case at his waist make his report: "I have done as you ordered."

Wearing ashes in public is a witness for God. It's not about us. The Ashes, while they do remind us about the Church and body of Christ, are meant to remind everyone about their last end, which is death. It is a reminder to the world that God exists and everyone dies. I always saw it as an opportunity to get the pagans and the sinners of the world to think about God, even for a moment, when they saw the ashes on the forehead.
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New False Flag Attack at Austin?
February 18, 2010
How convenient that hazmat teams and a firetruck was at the scene before it happened. This is from the following site:


"At 2:55, the girl says that Hazmat teams and fire trucks were in place across the street before the building was hit by the plane – a very lucky coincidence indeed."

Oooo. And what is this? A source tells us that the FBI knew an attack would happen today? Cheapers.

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Three Days of Darkness
February 28, 2010

The book Trial Tribulation and Triumph: Before, During and After Anti-Christ by Desmond Birch is also a great resource on the three days of darkness, very scholarly work. You can get it on Amazon and the EWTN religious catalogue.

Absolutely great book. I own it. Very informative. Er, at least a third of it is useful. I find the other 2/3rds of the book to be rather redundant. Still, the content of what is not redundant is worth the purchase. I also would recommend the Yves DuPont book.

One thing I've always wondered is how God expects all the redeemable Catholics to save themselves when this disaster strikes. What will His delivery system be? Will a Voice from Heaven tell us all how to survive the chastisement? Will the pope (Peter the Roman, perhaps?) instruct us on how to survive for the Three Days of Darkness?

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Speaking of folklore, you ever hear the old folktale about when Adam and Eve were cast out of Paradise? Some people say that the dog followed them out and that's why dogs have been man's best friend ever since.

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Fatima Secret Will Discourage Devotees - A Dogma, The Pope, and an Exorcism
March 11, 2010

I think the weak point is in the last paragraph. A human war is never going to kill over 4 billion people. World War II only killed 70 milion people (on the high side) and 4 billion is 55 times that number.

You'd have to nuke every city in the world to kill 2/3rds of mankind with a surprise attack and frankly after that, the world would be so polluted and screwd up that the Chastisement would be just another day at the office.

Assuming he has not been misquoted, then I'm going on the record and writing this guy off as a nutter based on this last paragraph. He has simply cobbled together a load of ideas from websites and prophecy books and come up with his own theory of future events. Then he's convinced himself that Mary appeared to him in a vision. The first three quarters is interesting and fit's roughly with what I think might play out based on world politics and the more reliable and repeated prophecies, but the 2/3rds of mankind dead as a result of a war part is lunacy.

Sheesh guys, I thought you were Fisheaters. You ask: Where is the 2/3rds proportions and 1/3rds proportions in the Bible? The Apocalypse.

Basically, the episodes we are all familiar with (which we can all derive from our internet forums, Du Pont, and others) are as follows:

#1 Wars, revolutions, famines, and persecutions
#2 Three Days of Darkness
#3 Short peace, then Antichrist time.
#4 Jesus returns. The End, God wins.

This sequence is foretold without the internet or Catholic media, in the Apocalypse of the Bible, beginning in Chapter 6.

Seal #1 Wars of conquest
Seal #2 Revolution among men
Seal #3 Scarcity
Seal #4 Generalized Death (via sword, hunger, death, beasts of the earth)
Seal #5 Martyrs
Seal #6 Cosmic Disturbances (falling stars, receding skies, rich people and commoners wanting to hide in mountains)
Seal #7 This encompasses Seven Trumpets, each containing their own woes, such as Wormwood [3 Days of Darkness?], the two witnesses, among other things, leading up to the antichrist)

When the Grim Reaper appears in Seal #4, it seems like a generalized summary of all the death caused in seals 1-4. It makes sense that the starvation and pestilence in seal #3 could be caused from the preceding warfare in Seal #1 and #2.

IN ANY CASE...6:8 says this: And I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.

So, already ggreg, we have 1/4th of Earth dying here before the Three Days of Darkness. That's a total of at least 1.5 billion people.

So, 1.5 billion people are killed by completely man-made actions that would be preventable, technically.

Then, skipping ahead to what I BELIEVE to be the Three Days of Darkness, we move to Trumpet #6 of Seal #7. Here, we see another third of mankind being killed off. We could take that 1/3rd from 6 billion, and come to a number of 2 billion people dying. Or, we can take that from the 5.5 billion people left alive, meaning 1.83 billion people will die.

Applying these biblical figures to our current population, we will be left with around 2.5 billion people. That's many times more than what Duke Puntalangit claims (as well as what the Georgia Guidestones claims we should have on earth: 500 million). However, maybe the Bible is just giving us an approximate number.

For your reading pleasure, I shall attach Revelation 9:13-18. I believe the "army" being described here is potentially the demons and powers that will inhabit the air during the three days of darkness.

13Then the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, 14one saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, "Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates." And the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released, so that they would kill a third of mankind. 16The number of the armies of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them. 17And this is how I saw in the vision the horses and those who sat on them: the riders had breastplates the color of fire and of hyacinth and of brimstone; and the heads of the horses are like the heads of lions; and out of their mouths proceed fire and smoke and brimstone. 18A third of mankind was killed by these three plagues, by the fire and the smoke and the brimstone which proceeded out of their mouths. 19For the power of the horses is in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails are like serpents and have heads, and with them they do harm. 20The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk; 21and they did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries nor of their immorality nor of their thefts.

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Or, better yet -- you could realize that the Book of Revelation has to do with the end of the Jewish Age and the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD as the original writer intended. That would be far better than trying to force symbolic apocalyptic literature into some sort of end-times scenario the way the Fundies do. Remember, what are the first words in Revelation:

THE revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants what must soon take place; and he made it known by sending his angel to his servant John

If you write down each of the 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls and it can be clearly seen that they are just going over the same event in different detail, and in vivid, symbolic apocalyptic style - and that event was the apocalyptic end of the Jewish nation and the beginning of the Kingdom of God on earth. Jesus told his disciples that a generation would not pass until the Son of Man came in his Kingdom. Thus, Jesus came in his Kingdom in full with the destruction of the major symbol of Biblical Judaism - the Temple of Solomon. After this event in 70 AD, perhaps the most important in history save the Resurrection of Christ, the Kingdom of God was established and no longer was there any distinction between Jew or Gentile - now there is only Christian and non-Christian. That is why, when all of the recapitulation has been done, we are taken to chapter 19, which states that after all of this, the beast (Nero and the Roman Emperors involved in the Great Tribulation) and the False Prophet (the Christian-hating Sanhedrin) were thrown into the lake of fire. Then Satan was bound for "1,000 years," a symbolic large number denoting the length of the Church Age. The only history mentioned in Revelation is what takes place AFTER Satan is loosed, the battle of Gog and Magog.

There is just WAY too much evidence to believe otherwise. Nero Ceasar equaling perfectly in Hebrew gramatica "666." The Roman-Jewish war lasting exactly 42 months. The seven-headed dragon representing Rome's emperors (five have fallen - Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Cladius - one that is, Nero - and one that will only be for a short time - Galba, or could be seen as Vespasian with the removal of the three insignificant "emperors" Galba, Otho and Vitellus). Babylon perfectly represents Jerusalem at the time, which rode the beast (Rome) in order to destroy Christendom. It also states that the "great city" is the city in which Christ was crucified! This is just a small taste of the massive amount of evidence that is assurance of the book's meaning.

The Book of Revelation is primarily about this event in history. Before 70 AD, there was still a Temple. The book speaks of the Jewish Temple, when John is asked to measure it. After 70 AD, the Temple is no more. The major reason why people try to throw the prophesies of this magnificent book 2,000 years into the future is due to the erroneous date prescribed to this book by many scholars. The evidence shows that this book was NOT written in 95 AD, but between 64-68 AD, which denotes the mood of haste in the book. The destruction was "at hand," it was imminent.

But, could the prophesies be dual-prophetic as is the case with some Biblical prophesies. It is possible, but we shouldn't make such assumptions when the clear meaning of the text concerns the end of Judaism and the beginning of the Kingdom of God - the Holy Catholic Church.
Well, I was a bible thumping baptist at one point. I can't help but to sometimes just read the Bible and believe what it says, outright.

And besides, as SinfullyLate and "unknown" stated:
SinfullyLate: "But didn't Sr Lucy say the third secret was contained in Revelations?"
unknown: "Yes, she's reported to have specifically indicated Apocalypse chapters 8 to 13. Pope JPII corroborated this on May 13, 2000 when he said the Third Secret was a warning about the Apocalypse and cited Apocalypse chapter 12 during his homily in Fatima. In his book from the mid '90's, he also said this prophecy was seemingly close to its fulfillment."
...it seems Sr. Lucy considered these parts of the Book of the Apocalypse as...a part of the Apocalypse.

But maybe you're right about the whole dual-prophecy and all that. Idk. I was primarily pointing out where in the last book of the Bible we see large fractions of Earthlings dying.

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Laramie Hirsch, what version of the Bible have you quoted here, because I have noticed some discrepancies between what you've posted, and the text of my Douay.

I used the New American Standard Bible on this one. What were the discrepancies?

I was also a "Bible-thumping [Southern] Baptist myself, only converted 6 years ago. To understand the Apocalypse of St. John, one must have a VERY, VERY good understanding of the Old Testament. There are hundreds of parallels to O.T. prophesies and symbolism
That's cool, I don't feel so alone on fisheaters anymore.

Okay, so you state that the first six seals of Revelations pertain to the Jewish situation in Rome two thousand years ago. Then, how do you account for Sr. Lucy's statments that the Fatima 3rd secret pertains to the book of Revelations, as was earlier stated?

And also...are you stating then, Nic, that there has already been a giant comet that swept by and "poisoned the waters?" Wouldn't that be a big deal I'd read about in history books?
Do you think that there is a seven-headed red dragon in outer-space? Is Jesus really a lamb with seven eyes and seven horns? Will giant locusts with human heads attack us someday? Will blood really flow as high as a horse's bridle? -- No to all of those questions.

Nifty points, all of them. I have to admit, I can't accept nor absorb them all at once immediately. It'll take me some thinkin'. You sure are a learned guy for bein' a convert for six years. Perhaps I grew slack.

Still, you didn't answer my question about Sr. Lucy's reference to Revelation reguarding the Fatima secret.
Okay, let's say I buy everything you've stated about the Book of Revelations. A vaccum is created for me. I have simple questions if I accept your premise. Namely three.

1. Is there any End Times prophecies in Revelations?

2. Is there any End Times prophecies in the Bible?

3. Where?

We talk about the end times so much on fisheaters, surely there's biblical basis for our opinions here.
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Name of the Rose
March 13, 2010
I saw the movie. Didn't the young monk have sex with a gypsy lady in that movie? I always considered that scene to be the ruination of the whole thing, in my eyes.

I swear, there's a secret conspiracy to put some form of fornication in every movie ever.
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origin of the story of Lucifer
March 13, 2010

Some of the detail material comes from the Book of Enoch which is apocrypha except in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church who considers it Canonical. However, there are hints of it in Genesis and Apocalypse.

I'm not so sure about this Quis. I read BoE, too, and as I recall, it's a story of 200 angels who came down from heaven under the leadership of an angel named Semyaza.

I have always been under the impression that this incident in the Book of Enoch is a separate incident from Lucifer's war with Michael. In the Book of Enoch, Semyaza and his 200 angels are teaching the earthlings agriculture and warfare and fortune telling and fashion tips in exchange for sex with the women. In Bible literature, there is a war between the Devil and Michael and his archangels.

It just sounds like two different stories to me. Two different falls from grace.

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Catholics Warned to Resist Senate Health Bill
March 16, 2010

Given the fact that the bill doesn't even fund abortion, and if you guys want to continue to calls yourselves Christians, maybe you should start giving a sh*t about all of these poor people with no healthcare.

Gosh, Roy. You have such a big heart for those "poor people with no healthcare!" I'm sure that you humbly donate 70 percent of everything you make to poor people who need to go to the hospital or need medication. Surely.

That does not mean everyone else should be forced to. (We already pay for frivilous medical care for people, btw. Go to an Emergency Room and just witness the many people who will not be paying for the care they receive.)

The federal government cannot afford this. Or country will be completely bankrupt in twenty years. Generations afterwards will be at a severely lower standard of living than us thanks to the reckless bankrupting of our system. The U.S. dollar is going to go under, likely in the next decade, thanks to the Feds who keep thinking they can just continue printing money.

Not only will this bill do horrible things to the healtcare community, but it will transform our government into a socialist power (which I'm sure you secretly hope for, Roy), and in addition, it will be a socialist government that runs out of money, and it will destroy our dollar and our soverignty.

But, Roy, if you appreciate the bribes, the political threats, and Obama's constant drumming against public opinionagainst this bill, then stay on the Community Organizer's train and just run over any common sense that finds its way onto the track.

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I thought you folks might be interested in reading this article. It tells us how we are screwed completely, and how we will REALLY feel it in 2015. I suggest you folks get in on the National Inflation Association newsletter. It's the only junk mail I read.

I think the particular words that will resonate with me all weekend are:

-"NIA believes it will be impossible for the U.S. to have a balanced budget ever again."

Thanks for voting the hippie communist radicals into office, democrats. At least now we know how the gentile West will fall.


FORT LEE, N.J., March 20 /PRNewswire/ -- The National Inflation Association - http://inflation.us - today issued a warning to all Americans of a potential outbreak of hyperinflation in the U.S. by year 2015 caused primarily by the healthcare bill and rising interest payments on our national debt.

Medicare was created in 1966 at a cost of $3 billion per year and the House Ways and Means Committee estimated in 1966 that in 1990 the cost of Medicare would reach $12 billion per year. Instead, the actual cost of Medicare in 1990 was $107 billion (792% more than what was projected) and today Medicare costs $408 billion annually. In 2003, the White House Office of Management and Budget estimated that the Iraq War would have a total cost of $50 to $60 billion. So far, we have already spent $713 billion on the Iraq War (over 1,000% more than what was projected).

The Congressional Budget Office is estimating that the healthcare bill will cost $940 billion over the next 10 years, but if history is any indication, the actual cost will likely be several trillion dollars. NIA believes the healthcare bill will be the final nail in the coffin of the U.S. economy and will just about guarantee that we will see hyperinflation by the year 2015.

The U.S. government last week reported a record monthly budget deficit for February 2010 of $220.9 billion. Total tax receipts for the month were only $107.5 billion compared to outlays of $328.4 billion. The total U.S. deficit for the first five months of fiscal year 2010 was $651.6 billion, with tax receipts of $800.5 billion and outlays of $1.45 trillion. The deficit was up 10.5% for the first five months of fiscal year 2010 over the same period in fiscal year 2009.

We are now at a point where if the U.S. government taxed Americans 100% of their income, the tax receipts generated would not be enough to balance the budget. Likewise, if the U.S. government cut 100% of its spending including defense, but kept paying Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, we would still have a budget deficit. NIA believes it will be impossible for the U.S. to have a balanced budget ever again.

The U.S. national debt is now $12.67 trillion of which $8.061 trillion is public debt. Due to the Federal Reserve's artificially low interest rates of 0% to 0.25%, interest payments on our national debt last month were only $16.9 billion, an interest rate of only 2.548% on our public debt. The reason for the spread between our 2.548% interest rate on the public debt and the federal funds rate of 0 to 0.25% is that a portion of our national debt is made up of long-term bonds at higher interest rates.

Our debt ceiling was recently raised to $14.3 trillion, which we are on track to reach in less than a year, sending our public debt up to about $10 trillion. If the Federal Reserve raises the federal funds rate up to just 2% during the next year, NIA believes the interest rate on our public debt could rise to 5% and our annual interest payments will likely rise to $500 million or 23% of projected 2010 tax receipts of $2.165 trillion.

The White House is not projecting for interest payments on the national debt to break the $500 million mark until fiscal year 2014. By then, even if we go by White House projections that the deficit will be cut to $828 billion in 2012, $727 billion in 2013 and $706 billion in 2014, in 2014 we will still be looking at a national debt of over $18.5 trillion with a public portion of around $13.14 trillion. We find it shocking that the White House is projecting an interest rate on our public debt in 2014 of only around 4%.

All of this means that the While House expects the Federal Reserve to leave interest rates at artificially low levels almost indefinitely. However, we know it will be impossible for them to do so without creating a huge outbreak of inflation in the prices of food, energy, clothing, and just about everything else Americans need to live and survive. In order to prevent hyperinflation, we need interest rates to be higher than the rate of inflation.

NIA believes the real rate of U.S. inflation to already be approximately 5%. If the Federal Reserve doesn't raise the federal funds rate to above 5% in the short-term, in our opinion, an outbreak of double-digit inflation is inevitable. By 2014, it is possible the Federal Reserve will be forced to raise the federal funds rate up to above 10% and the public portion of our national debt could exceed $15 trillion. Therefore, in 2014 we could see the interest payments on our national debt reach $1.5 trillion, about triple what is currently being projected and 43% of the government's projected tax receipts that year of $3.455 trillion.

Besides the cost of the healthcare bill and rising interest payments on our national debt, another major catalyst for hyperinflation will be social security payments, which adjust to the CPI-index. As the government's CPI-index rises, so will the social security payments that it owes. This could cause a death-spiral in the U.S. dollar. Inflation is still the last thing on the minds of most Americans, but soon it will be their primary concern.
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Betania? What is it?
March 20, 2010

Could someone fill me in on what happened in Venezuela concerning Betania? Were there messages? I understand there is some true apparitions and some false claims involved.
Here is a link to approved apparitions, including Betania I believe wuth stories about them.

Appears to be a pretty good site.
Google Maria Esperanza. She had St Padre Pio's endorsement. She predicted 9/11 well before it happened. There is much to say about her, just google it. I believe she will be declared a saint.

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Did she have any messages about the chastisement? I can't seem to find any.

Also, I heard that Rick Salbot on unitypublishing.com believes the woman called Esperanza is lying. He says: "Maria Esperanza is not of God," yet the apparitions are true, according to him. Anyone know the truth from the lies in this one?
In nomine Patris:
Uh....who you gonna believe Rick Salbot, or St Padre Pio?

Well, folks said that Padre Pio endorsed Garabandal, which turned out to not be so true....

The question you ask should be rephrased. "Who you gonna believe, Rick Salbot, or what people say about St. Padre Pio?" If you have some sort of proof of Padre Pio's endorsement, you'll have convinced me he endorsed her.
In nomine Patris:
OK. I've read much about her and it was in something I read, maybe on SpiritDaily, they have a lot written about her.
the local bishop has approved it, she met with JP2, and there were many miraculous things surrounding her. Perhaps if you could pm me, I could send you some links sometime in the next few days. and Yes P Pio did approve of her
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Confusion about the tone of this book...
March 20, 2010
Okay, I'm reading Charles De Foucauld (Charles of Jesus), by Jean-Jacques Antier. It's published by Ignatius.

Now, this book was loaned to me by my priest, and so far, I've enjoyed it for the most part. But I thought I would toss a passage to the Fisheaters and tell me if they see anything "fishy" about it. Something about it...

I just don't trust the author at these short moments in the book (and I've come across these moments about twice before this, not much at all. It's a great book, I reccommend it.) Anyway, here is the excerpt:

pg 266

...Priest, basically he thought only of converting, like other missionaries. Strong through his learning, his experience, and, most important, his Christ, Charles had come there as a conqueror. Of course he sought only the good of the tribes, but he was acting like a conqueror. He had proclaimed their salvation just as [General] Laperrine had proclaimed security under the protection of the army, and the governor general in his turn had promised prosperity through French economic development.
Yes, therein lay the cause of his failure. Deep down, he knew very well that "to love is enough". To love is not to convert; it is first of all to listen, to learn to know these men and women from a different civilization and a different religion, as he had done in Morocco.
Now he realized the importance of the work on the dictionary and the anthology of poetry. Not only for translating the Gospels and paving the way for future missionaries, but above all for listening, the first step in sharing. Thus, henceforth he was to have a new approach, surprisingly "modern"; at the same time, he would continue to provide his own example of brotherhood, if not of holiness, since he felt incapable of that. The real conversaion of the Tuareg could be carried out only through the will of God.
"The more I go about here, the more I think it not necessary at this time to seek isolated conversions." For him that was a reversal. He told Doctor Dhauteville, a Protestant: "I am here, not to convert the Tuareg in a single stroke, but to try to understand them and improve them. I am certain the Lord will welcome in heaven those who led good and upright lives, without their having to be Roman Catholics."
At last, Charles de Foucald was allowing himself to be "tamed"!

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Well, you know, I think it's kinda broken.

I see a few things:

1) It is good he shouldn't show up as an arrogant conqueror determined to tame the savage and convert this primitive people to Catholicism. That notion, in itself, is unCatholic. He should show up as Christ, preach the Gospel, see Christ in everyone from slave to King, etc.

2) Ignoring the culture of a people, IMO, is imprudent - the Church has always allowed cultures to bring things into the practice of Catholicism as long as it wasn't against the Faith. That started with St. Paul who allowed the Gentiles to keep customs that didn't go against the Faith. It's why we have Mary depicted as a Mexican, Japanese, etc. Culture is important, and culture united with faith serves God and brings people closer to Him. There really is an appropriate form of inculturalization, but it's generally not to the liturgy itself like the NO is wont to do. So it's good he stopped this nonsense and started paying attention to their culture.

3) The part that troubles me is this: "The more I go about here, the more I think it not necessary at this time to seek isolated conversions." He realized that part of Conversion is adopting a Catholic worldview in the context of one's culture, great. But he forgets the other half that isolated conversions are necessary. They go hand-in-hand. If one lives in a place with a Catholic worldview, then one is more likely to convert. And when one has converted, he is more likely to promote a Catholic worldview within his culture. You need both. God told us to convert, and once converted He tells us to preach the Gospel.

4) "I am certain the Lord will welcome in heaven those who led good and upright lives, without their having to be Roman Catholics" seems like that's a sin of presumption. You know, I'm moderate on my position of EENS, but this statement is way out there and flies in the face of Church teaching. I believe it is possible for someone to make it to heaven with invincible ignorance and following the Natural Law, but it would be very very difficult. To assume a freebie, which seems to be going on here, is a bad idea.

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Thanks for pointing this out. No, you aren't confused. The author & Ignatius Press are -- and perhaps the subject.

This is the typical vocabulary of liberation theology, in other words, Marxism. If you have found it more than once, it is doubtless not an accident.

I don't know much about this saint. What was he up to? A cultural anthropoligist? A social woker? A lonely guy in need of friends? Is it proper to consider him a saint only because he was a martyr? He was a martyr, wasn't he? Or, more properly, a murder victim?

I am asking because I actually don't know the answer to these questions, and the excerpt raises all of them.

The piece only clearly speaks to the end of the missionary activity in our time, the salt losing its savor.
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Go to AudioSancto and find the sermon on Charles De Foucauld for a good, brief bio. It's good. And Traditional.
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I am new to understanding SSPX. What is it?
March 21, 2010
Okay...after about a year of chatting around on Fisheaters, I'm slowly getting to know what SSPX is. However, I would like to ask you folks if you know of good previous posts that discuss SSPX in detail? I am ignorant as to what it is for the most part, still.

For example, one question I have is:

Am I supposed to be going to SSPX Masses? (I usually am attending Novus Ordo Masses, and on occasion I've been able to make it to a Tridentine Latin Mass.)

But yeah, links to previous threads could help, too.

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My healthcare profession is ending, what do I do now?
March 21, 2010
I'm a healthcare worker. The government has assured the destruction of my industry today. What do I do now? What other industries are there that I can enter so that I can make a living?

(My estimation: twice the patients, half the staff, half the pay, fewer doctors, more bullcrap resembling a post office line. Two years of schooling...about to go up in flames. Thanks, you Democrats.)
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Obama to America: I win; you lose
March 21, 2010

Obama to America -- I Win, You Lose
By Jon Kraushar
- FOXNews.com

"Give me tyranny and give me debt" has replaced "Give me liberty or give me death."

With his health care holy war, President Obama is sending America at least 10 messages since taking office:

1. I win; you lose.
2. My will; not the will of the people.
3. Government of Obama, by Obama, for Obama; not government of the people, by the people, for the people.
4. Corrupt House rules and autocracy; not play by the rules and democracy.
5. "I’ll tread on you" now steps on "Don’t tread on me."
6. "I, the president"; not "We, the People."
7. "All men are created equal" but I am more equal than others.
8. "The dissent of the president" overrules "the consent of the governed."
9. "Give me tyranny and give me debt" replaces "Give me liberty or give me death."
10. "That government is best which governs most" supersedes "That government is best which governs least."

How do we impeach him?